Is it just me, or is this knife worthless?

Well, I wouldn't say it's totally worthless - every knife has it's place... But, knowing what I know about punching things, whoever uses one of these things is begging for a broken finger. It doesn't have much metal inside the hand to support the blade.

It just screams "I fight dirty" to me for some reason.
 
Well, if you had any common sense, you'd know that punching someone while holding the "knife" like it is depicted, you'd break your finger.

If I HAD to use it, I would hold it so that the blade was facing away from my palm and slap someone with it.

Better yet, I'd through it at them and while they are distracted I'd high tail it. :D
 
Better yet, I'd through it at them and while they are distracted I'd high tail it.
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You could just use it in your weak hand to reflect the light to dazzle and blind them... while you draw your gun with the other hand.
 
I took one look at that knife and thought, "Man, this thing looks ridiculous and idiotic."

Like others have said, it seems to utterly lack support in the hand for striking. I could see it turning on impact in any number of directions. Up toward the knuckles or down toward the fingertips, it would probably make a nice clean fracture of the finger. It could also slip sideways and slice the adjacent finger.

What the hell is that guy doing showing it tucked *blade toward the palm*??

The sheath looks almost as useless as the knife. Looks like something cheap you'd pick up at a renaissance festival. Does that thing hold the knife in like a kydex neck sheath would? Why not just *make* it out of kydex? In my opinion, leather is quaint but not tactical or utilitarian.

And the kicker, of course, is the price. Doesn't Fury make that cheap-ass "Finger-fighter" for about 8 bucks?

If this knife had a good way to be used outside of attempting to punch someone with it, I could see an argument for purchasing it. But it is severely limited in practicality, not to mention being a clear "weapon" to an LEO. And if you're looking for a stabbing blade, I think you'd want to go with a little more that 1.5" of penetration, no?

This one makes me shake my head...
 
Ughly.......
That's a knife only a mother could love.
Unless you've got your beer-gogles on.
 
that thing is broken finger city. How in the heck would you have time to get it on your finger in the last ditch circumstance that would call for such a knife? I used to carry something similar when on duty, but it was the cold steel one (urban pal, I think) that at least had a palm support. thankfully, never had to use it and it disappeared into the black hole of lost knives.
 
Nothing posted in this thread so far makes any sense at all, but I'll only address a couple of points because I don't have all day....

Breaking your finger: take a sharp knife and push it into a piece of raw meat. Notice how much force it takes. Now try pushing the knife to something you can't penetrate at all, like solid steel, with the same force. Could you break a finger with that much force? You could break a toothpick, maybe....

How long it would take to get it on your finger: If your powers of visualization aren't up to figuring that out from looking at the picture of the sheath, try making a ring knife and sheath out of cardboard or whatever's handy and experiment with it. Come to think of it, be sure to make the hole considerably bigger than your finger -- that might be the source of confusion here.

Saith the Cougar: If you don't know what you're talking about, don't.
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
Nothing posted in this thread so far makes any sense at all, but I'll only address a couple of points because I don't have all day....

Breaking your finger: take a sharp knife and push it into a piece of raw meat. Notice how much force it takes. Now try pushing the knife to something you can't penetrate at all, like solid steel, with the same force. Could you break a finger with that much force? You could break a toothpick, maybe....

How long it would take to get it on your finger: If your powers of visualization aren't up to figuring that out from looking at the picture of the sheath, try making a ring knife and sheath out of cardboard or whatever's handy and experiment with it. Come to think of it, be sure to make the hole considerably bigger than your finger -- that might be the source of confusion here.

Saith the Cougar: If you don't know what you're talking about, don't.
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I'll address only the second point, because the first one is simple physics. The weakest thing will break and the weakest thing amongst solid steel, the blade and bone of finger is bone of finger.

As to the second point, my powers of visualization are very acute. If you were in a situation where last ditch efforts wre necessary, which is my take on the idea of this knife otherwise why not use a folder, there is no way on God's green earth that you would have the time or the motor skills necessary to put this thing on your finger. I base this on my experience several times over as a LEO, literally in fights for my life, when more than one bad guy was trying to yank my .45 out of its holster (thank you Safariland for the SS III) and my duty belt was up around my chest from the upward pulling. I could barely get my ASP out of its holder and get it deployed, let alone placing a ring knife on my finger. Lets jsut say that in code red, the fine motor skills are virtually nill. I've been there several times before so I don't need visualization.
 
Cougar, i respectfully disagree with everything you said.

first off, this thing is for punching. punching involves a lot of force, more than is required to push the blade through a piece of dead, unmoving, non-threating meat. put a large ring on your finger and punch a door. it hurts and can easily break a finger if the force all gets concentrated in one area. the object of the knife is to also put a hole in what you impacted - not just make a hole. if the only objective were to push a blade through flesh, an ice pick is much better suited to the task.

secondly, i suggest that getting this thing on your finger would take far more time that any situation requiring its use would allow. in close fighting, which is this things purpose, you must already have the knife put through your finger. a possibility yes, but if youve got that much time its better to flee. you must also account for the time it would take to get to it in the first place. most likely it would be worn around the neck under the shirt. then you must find the finger hole. even if done in 1.5 seconds, the assailant could cover the small amount of ground between you and him.
 
Well, this is probably going to turn into a prolonged argument, and I probably could have written my first post more tactfully.... I'll just repeat: try it. Try pushing a sharp knife into a piece of meat and see how much force that takes. I don't suppose you're going to be willing to break your finger to see how much force that takes, but you can break other things....

If you have a pistol handy you can save yourself the trouble of making a cardboard ring knife -- just see how long it takes you to put your finger into the trigger guard of the pistol. The hole in a ring knife should be about the same size.

Ring knives are not for everyone. They are not used in the same way a pushdagger is used, or in the same way any other knife is used, but some people do know how to use them.
 
I guess some people might be able to use the ring knife, but I am not one of them.

If I punched with it, I would break my finger. If I missed and the knife snagged some clothing against the flat of the blade, then the blade would torque to the side and either break my finger or sprain the joints while bruising the metacarpal.

Under high stress and due to it's small size and sheath type, I would probably drop it on deployment or cut myself orienting the ring once it's on my finger.

That said, in an ambush situation, the ring knife is not a viable option.
 
TheMightyGoat...To answer your question; Yes, that "knife" is worthless, and more-than-likely is also illegal to carry or "use".
 
A person schooled in martial arts that has trained with this knife could slice you to ribbons. I dont think it's primarily a punching weapon as except for the eyes it's not long enough to reach vitals. It is just as long or longer than most of the OSS thumb daggers I've seen. Just because you dont understand something doesnt make it worthless.
What purpose does this thread serve except to insult and slam a knifemaker and the nicest knife dealer on the net? If you dont like it or cant afford it or dont understand it, dont buy it.In a day where people pay $75-300 for flashlights,$100 and up for plastic handled production knives, $7 for a pack of butts,etc., the price is not out of line for a hand crafted product. Nobody is twisting your arms to buy it.
All I'm saying is that if you dont like it or dont agree with it, dont buy it, but why insult them?
BTW, the 2 damascus ones look like they're sold.

Another thing is that most of the fighting knives bought and sold, no matter what the size are stuck in non using collections anyway.
 
I said it was good for a novelty. I certainly could not use it. I would like to see a demonstration of some one who can. It seems to me that you could only hit soft fleshy areas with it, in a stab or a slash. If it hits bone or even snags on clothing, I think your finger will be broken. It does seem hard to deploy, a finger goes into the trigger hole on a gun so quickly because there is the rest of the handle there to give you a grip and orient yourself, this doesn't offer that. It seems like to be effective with it, you would need an awful lot of special training. If you are going to commit to that, it would make more sense to pick something more practical. Like I said, a neat novelty, but there are much more practical alternatives.
 
Originally posted by peacefuljeffrey
What the hell is that guy doing showing it tucked *blade toward the palm*??
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To show that you can hide it in plain site, and engage it quickly if the need arises.

OK folks, sorry to break it to you, but Cougar's right. As a fan and user of push daggers for many many years, I can tell you from experience, that the first thing to give when hit with this thing is the target. That much force concentrated at a fixed and localized position, whatever is at the other end of the point is going to give first. Whatever level of energy that the target doesn't absorb is then transferred back to through the knife. And guess what? The finger is not the object that sustains the damage. That energy is transferred around the finger to the palm; which fortunately, is soft and fleshy and easily heals. The finger bone is never in danger unless you open your hand, and that would be improper use of this style of knife. It's designed to be used with a clinched fist.

Advantages of a knife like this is total concealibility (you can just about hide it anywhere); high retension (very difficult to get it knocked out of your hands and being used against you); and inflicts tremendous amount of damage for its size.

But sundsvall is correct. In an ambush situation, this would be a poor choice. It's small size and lack of flexibility for proper deployment makes it a very poor fast draw type device. But if I had time to prepare for a threat, I absolutely enjoy having them fall into the false security you guys exhibited, thinking that something that small can't hurt you, and prove them wrong.
 
Originally posted by lifter4Him
What purpose does this thread serve except to insult and slam a knifemaker and the nicest knife dealer on the net? If you dont like it or cant afford it or dont understand it, dont buy it.In a day where people pay $75-300 for flashlights,$100 and up for plastic handled production knives, $7 for a pack of butts,etc., the price is not out of line for a hand crafted product. Nobody is twisting your arms to buy it.
All I'm saying is that if you dont like it or dont agree with it, dont buy it, but why insult them?
BTW, the 2 damascus ones look like they're sold.
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Well, I certainly didn't mean to slam or insult anyone. If one of my posts were taken in that context, my apologies. Still not my cup of tea.
 
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