Is it my imagination?

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Is it my imagination or is lately is there an abnormally larger amount of the very simple questions, that can lead to burnout in answering if folks are energized and careful? I am not knocking the questions, everybody has to start somewhere and I would have quit long ago if they were that bad, I am just curious about the sudden influx. If it is lots of new eager faces that is good news, but I have rarely seen such a concentration of old scrap steel and alternative quenching questions. Trends have always fascinated me and are always interesting to find the possible roots of.

I started a little while back revamping some of my pages at my website to include frequently asked questions that I encounter on many forums, the rekindled interest in many of the basics tells me that it is a good idea to continue pursuing that. Once again I am all for new guys asking the starting questions, it means there are more folks getting started in this incredible craft we have, I just hope that there are less and less folks still peddling the same old silliness to those new guys. To me the ideal situation is to have today’s newbie’s with interesting questions be the guys who answer the next waves basic questions, with solid information with increasingly more complex problems solved by increasingly more seasoned generations of experience. Unfortunately as long as there are sources out there claiming that all saw blades are L6 and that lards can make great quenchants years of information sharing can be reset to square one in a heartbeat. So in many ways I am encouraged by the basic questions and on other ways I can sometimes feel it is an endeavor as hopeless as fighting a tsunami with a Dixie cup.

For better or for worse, we seem to have a new group of questions to answer, I feel we need to work out how to tackle them in an encouraging manner. I feel this because of the impatient reaction I initially feel and then get control of when logic tells me the this questioner is not the same guy who just asked that last week and I can only look like a jerk to him by impatiently treating him like he is.
 
The search function has been removed for non-paying members. Maybe that is contributing.
 
search is not available for non-paying members, that may be part of it, new guys can't find old info. When Spark is able to get the issue sorted, it should slow down.

edit: must learn to type faster :D
 
The search function has been removed for non-paying members. Maybe that is contributing.

I pay and the search function absolutely sucks! I belong to many forums and this is bar none the most useless search function of any I have ever tried. A one word search will yield something. A two or more word search, just forget it. Garbage!
 
I pay and the search function absolutely sucks! I belong to many forums and this is bar none the most useless search function of any I have ever tried. A one word search will yield something. A two or more word search, just forget it. Garbage!
I agree, I did find uses it for it though. For searching for old information it is best to use a normal search engine and search within bladeforums, i.e. "normalizing site:bladeforums.com". I could use the one word search to find out if anyone uses my name hoping I will pop up in a thread (which I usually didn't notice until it was too late), or to see recent threads I had posted in.
 
I pay and the search function absolutely sucks! I belong to many forums and this is bar none the most useless search function of any I have ever tried. A one word search will yield something. A two or more word search, just forget it. Garbage!


The search engine here works just fine. But you have to know how to use it.
 
To me the ideal situation is to have today’s newbie’s with interesting questions be the guys who answer the next waves basic questions,
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Being a relative newbie myself, and one who has learned a lot from you, I feel I'm paying my dues by answering some of these basic questions when I can.

There was a post earlier this week, where a noob was oil quenching some mystery steel and getting strange spots. Bruce Bump and others chimed in with excellent responses. I wanted to add "Man, do you realize that you just got a response from Bruce Bump, that is amazing when you think about it."

This is a hell of a forum, I appreciate your contribution Kevin.



Edit:

I just went back to that thread. It had responses from Bruce, Stacy, Mace, Kevin, Don Hanson and others. I wonder if the OP has any idea how valuable that is.

Yeah, the search function is broke. But you can still search it with Google.
 
yes, i do really appreciate all the info from already learned people on this site. it is given freely with a genuine effort to try and help me!!! there are many fields where the really good craftsmen arent willing to share. its not that way with competition 1000yd benchrest shooting it took me many moons and much denaro to figure things out enough to get competitive i havent been involved in it in over a year but friends tell me everything is still treated like a secret.thank you all for all your help!!! willy:D:D
 
Kevin, I'd be willing to bet that if we were to track these influxes of more basic questions we'd see a yearly cycle...

That aside, one thing I personally think would help (in particular now that non-paying folks can't search) would be to rename the "For the newbie maker starting out as well as the seasoned maker II" thread to something more clear like "NEWBIES PLEASE READ THIS THREAD BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS". The current title just doesn't jump out and say "basic questions answered here".

Just my $.02.

-d
 
maybe it is a 2 fer as the search is down (but i never really got it working well ether )

and newly founded xmass $$ or tools for gifts giving that "you know i would like to try ..."
 
yes, i think the "For the newbie maker starting out as well as the seasoned maker II" should be in bold and red and be more blatently stated that it should be studied before asking questions. also, the search option notice should mention the option to google search "heat treating 10XX bladeforums"
-Lou
 
You could read the various tutorials here and in other places !!!
 
Kevin,It has been like this since I have been a member....only it has always seemed that it is a roll over about every 6 months,we loose a few members but a whole new crop hit and the questions start all over again....

eventually it seems like everybody else has answered the questions before I do so I just dont bother as I wouldnt be adding anything new to the conversation....

I do know this much,you will always see allot of guys wanting to start with scrap steel and try and use what they have on hand to try and make a knife.I do give them credit for trying,and if they are asking simple questions or even one's that some of think are silly or dumb (been know to have them myself) at least they are trying and thinking and after awhile will learn and not have those kinds of questions anymore.Thus we still gotta teach and coach no matter what,who knows the next newbie asking those same old newbie questions may be the next Moran or Loveless so I say we all have to be careful when we answer these questions and be just as sincere and patient with them as we wanted makers to be with us as beginers.
I love the forums though...

Have a great year everybody,
Bruce
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The search engine is usable, and you can learn how to use it to some extent, but it still sucks. It drives me nuts that people defend the search function, telling the members complaining about it that they just aren't smart enough to use it. It is awful.
 
I have never figured out the search engine except to find a thread that I know who started it...

Bruce
 
The search function for members thing is a very good point I wasn't aware of, this was worth it for how quickly I got that possible answer. I also believe it could be a larger natural cycle. Believe me Bruce I have been watching a number of forums for many years now and I a very aware of the cyclic thing, I have went through burn out and re-energizing more times than I can count, I think the only thing that keeps me going is how little of a real live social life I have:(. But this is one the quickest upturns in the question cycle I have seen, and I think it could be a good sign for this forum that it is getting the attention of many newer faces (unless of course it is just a matter of a limited search function.)

I don't necessarily know if pushing it all to a beginners forum on any site is the answer since when you see answers that are more disturbing than the questions it is clearly obvious that some folks in the “advanced” forums could use the exchange of information as well.
 
Obviously you have the answers. Please share.
I'm not him but I can offer some tips.

Any words that are commonly used will cause the search engine to hang and return the blank white page. It can be any word that is common in daily life or specifically on the forum- so any search string containing words like "knife" or "sheath" will return that error. Your best bet to make it work is to search for more unique words... a specific knife or alloy, a member's name, etc.


It is not broke but, due to the server's limitations, it does take finesse to make it work properly.
 
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