is it REAL or AFTER MARKET ?

110 Dave

110 Dave

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hopefully Joe or CJ ((or they can have some one from marketing answer us))

Is there a way to determine if a
Buck Knife is factory or after market modified?!:confused:

and if there are any rules on how the model numbers are made
or a way to decipher them?:D

if any of you other buckaroos have wondered this also
exercise your fingers here to let Joe and CJ know that

inquiring buckaroos want to know..
Because ;) :we don't want to be taken in by
imitators!!!
:eek:
 
334dave said:
Is there a way to determine if a
Buck Knife is factory or after market modified?!:confused:
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Yes...If the scales are loose, if the blade is sloppy, and the tip stands proud...It's Buck Factory!!! :D

Aftermarket manglers are much more meticulous... :cool::thumbup:
 
I know it's been brought up before, but I would like to see them go after the scumbag stores on sle-bay who are selling items as factory warrantied which they know aren't.

That would help to reduce the issue some at least. I know you can't go after the real small guys but there are people there who have entire stores set up and are selling hundreds of these through straight out lies.

I think a simple letter to sle-bay would fix it and reduce the ones we are going to later try to figure out. If Buck won't do it is it feasible for BCCI to do it? I'll be happy to kick in some cash for a lawyer letter to them if it gets them stopped.

I got taken by someone there since they lie about their products. Would like to drive it through their sternum now.
 
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chickentrax said:
...It's Buck Factory!!! :D

Aftermarket manglers are much more meticulous... :cool::thumbup:
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They are selling 100's of Buck knives??That's awful!!Buck must stop this immediately..
 
not that i want you guys to missunderstand me
buck sells a lot of scalesless knives this is part of staying in busness
what i want to be able to do is WHEN some one does quality work
i want to be able to tell it is not a buck issue ..
(yes trax i know ... glad to see you are back ! been on vacation in the keys?))
but some workers out there are not prowd of their work like
yellowhorse, leroy remer, reddrum and painted poney..
they do a quick scale replacement with some
cheep polly pearl material and pass it off as
Buck issue and warranty..
buck uses a model code on knives that have no scales and
i for one would like to know what it was/is..
and in cases were others remove existing scales what
the model number means on the box..
some as i said can be deduced but others are cryptic
i guess cat number could also be used but will buck let us know what cat numbers mean or let us have a list of cat numbers and what knives they reference..
again any comment by Joe or CJ would be nice
but comment from the old timers like
Larry Oden
Dick M.
and any others that have been in the club for a while
and may know or not know some thing would be nice also!
 
The easiest way to tell is to look at the label on the box. If the box is generic and the label is generic but the knife is custom it is a dead give away that it is third party. Joe indicates that Buck has stopped selling skeletons. Other give aways are deep etches on the blade with the serial number imbedded in the etch such as "23 of 400". As you know Buck will use the same etch on all knives with the serial number on the back as xxx/yyyy. I only know of one project for RMEF in which Buck imbedded the S/N in the etch and that was a long time ago. Further, Buck does not use plastic inlays other than true Micarta. Buck does not do true engraving but will LASER cut faux engraving. Buck does not use multicolor etches but does use multicolor pad prints. For most everything else you have to know the specific project which is why Joe publishes the special project list in the BCCI Newsletter each year. FYI.
 
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Piglipsticker-
The issue is when they say it's factory Buck and carries the Buck warranty.

This is a lie and should not be tolerated by sle-bay or Buck.

Yes, they are selling knives and maybe that is why Buck is looking the other way some. However, when it's subpar Buck's reputation is hurt and they loose future business. Or, when the poor job breaks up they loose a future customer and I'm sure they loose people when they send it back for repair and Buck says no. Plus, the buyer is hurt since a novice (myself included) believes what they read from the dealer.

These folks are selling them "new in the correct box" and specifically quote Buck's lifetime warranty.
 
hi dick!
to the best of my knowledge
the Yellowhorse famley still buys inlayless knives
(( see post below))
these knives as i under stand do not have buck's warrenty with them
i have a david yellowhorse knife i displayed at post falls
i asked if it was under warrenty and was told no..
only what dave does for buck is under buck's warrenty..
and also i under stood then that mike still buys inlayless knives ..((edit to see below))
it was 250 or 500 min in a sale ..has that changed from july last year? ((yes))

generic - ok what is that number? how do we tell what is generic if we dont know the rime or reason for a number? and has that number ever changed?
as i said BR seems to be the code for brass and if it is not there nickel but what of other letters in the model number ..
(( see post below))

ah.. buck did not always put the SN on the back i believe i seen an issue with it on the front..
and i would have said buck did not ever put the SN on the brass but i seen an issue with it from buck!
etched the SN?!?! i have never seen an etched number..
and they DID etch a number in the art work!! wow that is news to me!
(still learning i am) pict of that issue woule be nice to see!
buck has used polly on some slippies and i believe on one 110.. also corren is a plastic is'nt it?
i myself was breafely taken in on the ones white with Navy and Army ect on the handles tell was told that that seller did the work..
multy collor etch i belive was used on turkyes issue ...
was not pirty so i did not get it but seems it may be an exception or was it a buck issue?
again ..
buck has exceptions to most all general practices of theirs.
as to the special project list .. it is at the end of the year..
had i seen any of the issues before i would have had NO way to know what
knife was a real buck issue or a "fake" issue ..
we would only be able to tell by asking for the box information and
KNOWING what how to decode the model and cat numbers..is a real advantage to any collector and is why i asked of them
 
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well i jest talked to joe
as far as he knows it was summer 08 they stopped selling skeleton knives
except to yellowhorse...
he said that the standard mod number has changed several times in the past and
changed in 06 and is not sure what it is now
but yes in 06 the new computer has a reason behind the madness way of
making model numbers..
but he dont know what it is..
they will NOT work on a knife with diff scales at all as they have been bit and had to replace knives because of non issue scales breaking during blade warranty replacement
so any work on any buck not by them voids the warranty..
there is discussion on what to do concerning others modified buck knives..

cat numbers are used one time as far as was discussed and if you have a
list you can look them up..
 
334dave said:
(yes trax i know ... glad to see you are back ! been on vacation in the keys?)
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No, 334dave, I've been making long "artillery" barrels for Lugers, using the Mauser "Broomhandle" rear sight mounted on a Numrich barrel blank... :D



It's really amazing what you can accomplish if you put your mind to it... ;)

(And to answer your original question...it is *definitely* aftermarket...)
 
chickentrax said:
No, 334dave, I've been making long "artillery" barrels for Lugers, using the Mauser "Broomhandle" rear sight mounted on a Numrich barrel blank... :D

It's really amazing what you can accomplish if you put your mind to it... ;)

(And to answer your original question...it is *definitely* aftermarket...)
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gee neat!
could you email me some more pict's ?
 
Nice work Trax, Those artillery ones always shot the best.:thumbup:
I picked up a Buck 307 today.
 
chickentrax said:
No, 334dave, I've been making long "artillery" barrels for Lugers, using the Mauser "Broomhandle" rear sight mounted on a Numrich barrel blank... :D



It's really amazing what you can accomplish if you put your mind to it... ;)

(And to answer your original question...it is *definitely* aftermarket...)
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Looks good Trax!
 
Dave;
There have been some serial numbers that have appeared on places other than the back of the blade out of necessity or at the customer's request but given Buck's own devices they will usually go for the back (right side) of the blade. It is really hard to make generalizations about customs because there are so many possible variations. Buck does use the same font for all its post 1986 serial numbers I believe.

Sorry I don't have a camera to show you the RMEF 103/119 set with serial numbers in the gold etch.

One other feature that seems to be unique to Buck are blade cutouts. I don't think I have seen anyone else use them yet.

Corion, I think, is an epoxy bonded ceramic which I don't consider plastic. When I mentioned plastic I was thinking about inlays for handles not plastic or rubberized handles such as Valox, Kraton or the newer plastics Buck uses.
 
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yes Joe and i talked a good while about
that it is a customers request as to what is made
they offer options but are open to new or different idea's if it is possible
like the curved tang stamp that wally and the club use..
i would like some time to see that knife with gold number!

buck will be going to laser etch instead of tang stamps
i have not been able to find out if/when the 110
and other traditional bucks be done so..

btw: do you know who the person is that is the arum etch expert and how to get hold of him? i need to send him some pictures of this kitty hawk i have..
 
You can forward the Kittyhawk pictures to me and I will pass them along to John Hunt. Between the two of us we should be able to answer your questions. I have all the known art work Buck has used through 2005 and I gave John a copy of all the Aurum art.
John's collecting specialty is Aurum etched Buck knives and he did the presentation on Aurum at the 20 Year club get together.
 
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Hi Guys,

is this etching made by Buck or is it made by the NKCA? And who did the engraving at the pommel?




The bad sharpness comes from the etching
not from the camera ;-).

Best,
Haebbie
 
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