Is it safe to order?

Originally posted by ixpfah

so when a bali is sent from usa to another country, the package isn't checked before the other country's boarder?
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If the country it is being SENT to wants to check it, they will. If they dont, they wont. Just because it CAME from the US doesnt mean we can tell them not to check it.
 
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Originally posted by ixpfah
why's that? is it 'dangarous' or something in any way? cause i have a couple of custom & legal issue questions i'd like to ask... shouldn't i?
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It is taboo to discuss illegal activity on any forum. It could get this, or any other forum shut down. Here is what the management of this forum has to say on the subject. While this is from the auto forum, it also applies to bali's if the subject matter has to do with breaking the law, such as how to avoid customs.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113994
 
The less we discuss Mauricio's work in "public"...especially the content about shipping...the happier we will all be ~~> HONEST!

Send email to those you know that have the knives to get details. Posting everything (although well-intended)...is not the way to go!

Thanks!


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
Originally posted by tonyccw
Why wouldn't it make sense. Makes sense to try and stop illegal bad things from coming into a country, but once in the country, it's generally assumed to have been allowed there in the first place, so it goes out with no problems. Any export contributes to the US's Gross National Product, and helps offset the inbalance of our trades with foreign nations. The only restictions I know of for exports are US hard currency (anything over $10,000 needs to be declared), and anything that violates National Security (think weapons and high security computer components).

Even if you meant it as a joke, it still makes no sense to me why you posted that. Guess I just don't get it.
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well, i'm sorry if you got offended, i certainly did not mean to do that.

but excactly what you say here: Makes sense to try and stop illegal bad things from coming into a country, but once in the country, it's generally assumed to have been allowed there in the first place... - if you try to get it IN to the country, you'll go to jail. but if you then get it through the customs, and into the country, it's suddenly legal (only it wasn't imported legal)! so if it's true what you say (which makes even less sense to me), a balisong is a bad and dangarous thing when outside your country, bud a nice and useful thing when inside. so i appologize if i offended you, but this seems pretty unlogical for me.

i don't want to start a fight with you (or anyone else, for that matter, i'm just a little confused if this makes sense. it's just like chewbacca (doesn't make any sense!).
 
Originally posted by hardheart
Think of it this way, it's illegal to bring a Dobruski in, but perfectly legal to send that exact knife right back out the instant you get it. You could say you assumed it was legal when it got here, but it obviously wasn't. The GNP probably has something to do with it, but also the fact that if it's on it's way out, the gov. figures its no concern of ours, even if it being here in the first place was a no-no. Just another muddled law stemming from the fact that any laws restricting knives are pretty stupid. I don't know that there's any laws against importing and exporting common kitchen cutlery :p
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ah, now that seemed a bit more logical... ;)

to everyone: i'm sorry i brought these legal issues into this thread. it won't happen again, i promise. :(
 
Originally posted by ixpfah
so i appologize if i offended you, but this seems pretty unlogical for me.
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OK, here's what I was trying to explain: Just because an item has been banned from coming into the US, does not make the item itself a bad item for export. Which is the original message I got from your post. Why you would assume that your country's situaution with bali's would apply to the US was very confusing to me. The issue isn't the bali itself, it's more a matter of where it's made. If that was the case, all the Made in the USA BM Ti handled bali's, the SWAT's, the Tachyon's and all the US custom bali's would not be allowed to be exported. Something I know is not true, as they can be sold worldwide in any country Bali's aren't banned (and thus the GNP reference).

Your position is very different: Not only does your country ban the importation of bali's, it also bans the manufacturing of bali's. And it makes the possession of bali's a very bad thing because you're not suppose to be able to own one (unless you have special permission from what you've been posting). So, even if you get it past your country's Customs, you'll still guilty of possessing an illegal item.

But back to your original question: If I do get a foreign made bali, yes I just broke a law as defined by the US Custom's department. But since it's not illegal in this country to possess bali's, once I have it, I can then send it out anywhere I want, including out of the country. (And if I choose to do that, I personally risk not getting it back, but I'm still allowed to send it out.) But I don't have to buy a foreign made bali as my choices among US made bali's are fairly numerous. I can buy any US made bali's without breaking the US Custom's rules. So bali's are not bad things to own here.

And this doesn't just affect our man from Brazil, it also affects all FHM's, all China Cheapies, all those manufactured by European countries, and even the Jaguar's. Yet somehow those bali's seems to be sold openingly without regards to their original country of manufacture once they are in the US. Why? Because once you get those bali's past Customs ir becomes harder for them to confiscate those items back. They then have to prove which specific shipment those bali's came in, and explain how they got past them in the first place. Those items are now subjected to the local laws of where they eventually wind up.

Can Customs just come to my house and confiscate all my bali's that fit the description above? No. They have to prove that I personally imported that specific bali. Which, unfortuantely, in the case of the Dobruski CB's, are very easy to prove if we keep giving them the clues they need in this very open forum. :(
 
Oh look, an edit button at the bottom of our posts. Wonder what we can do with that? ;)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think something posted in a public forums could be used against you in court.

If a third party intercepts or overhears a conversation not meant to be heard by that party, that information is unadmissable in court.

If I remember back to my Criminal Justice class, there was a accused killer who was jailed pending a hearing, but there was not enough evidence to convict him, so he probably would have been let go. But one night he was praying to God to let him get off for this one thing he did, a guard heard him and reported it to the warden, or DA or someone. This was not admissable in court because the conversation was between God and the prisoner and not meant to be heard by anyone else.

But since this is a public forum that anyone can read this probably isn't applicable, and the last two minutes I spent typing this was all for naught.

But non the less, are you really worried about discussing the specifications of your Dobruski for fear of a rouge customs agent seeing your post and coming to your house confiscate it? I think everyone should be proud of your beautiful Dobruski's and should tell us all about them. I know that's what I would do if I had one.


But that's just my opinion, I could be (prolly am) wrong.
 
US Customs really doesn't want to have to deal with a handfull of obviously collectible art works that just happen to be, in their eyes, switchblade knives and illegal to import. They've got much bigger issues to deal with.

US Customs has asked me to ask all of you not to discuss publically the particulars of importing illegal materials and that you not discuss the details of expected arrivals. Making such posts in a public forum is essentially calling them out, daring them to act.

Once your Dobruski arrives at your doorstep, go ahead and post it, but do so gently. Don't say, "Look what Customs missed!" Just say, "Here's a nice piece of work by Mr. Dobruski that I recently acquired." Nudge, nudge... wink, wink... say no more, say NO more!
 
Originally posted by Mr YODA
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think something posted in a public forums could be used against you in court.

If a third party intercepts or overhears a conversation not meant to be heard by that party, that information is unadmissable in court.

But that's just my opinion, I could be (prolly am) wrong.
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The difference between your example and the forum postings is written proof. Testifying about an overheared conversation is Hearsay evidence, because you are relying on that witness to be truthful. Whereas printing out my post of my receiving a bali from Dobruski is eqivelant to a written confession. Of course they'll have to prove that I was the one that typed all those words, and not someone else using my signon ID..... It can get really complicated. :confused:
 
Thanks Tony, I thought that example wouldn't hold up...this is why I'm an engineer not a lawyer.
 
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