Is it still traditional?

Hey Kspaz I noticed you are new so welcome to the porch. Goins' book say's Browne and Pharr was based in Atlanta c from 1923-1977 and you are right Kspaz they did use screws. I "borrowed these pictures from another forum I participate on and here is a link to the thread I got my info from. http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21510 there is a reply from Browne himself that is quite interesting.

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That's quite a purdy whittling knife, and the screws are pretty cool too especially on an old knife. Good stuff.

Connor
 
Randy, that Browne and Pharr carver is remarkable!! :thumbup::eek::thumbup: Thanks for posting!

- GT
 
I'm wondering if this is a traditional?
It's a lock back, just like the Buck Ranger 112. Complete with nail nick, it's the same length as the Buck 112. The only real difference being the Benchmade is screwed together.
It came with a pocket clip but that lasted less than a week.

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Dean51 said:
I'm wondering if this is a traditional?
It's a lock back, just like the Buck Ranger 112. Complete with nail nick, it's the same length as the Buck 112. The only real difference being the Benchmade is screwed together.
It came with a pocket clip but that lasted less than a week.
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As far as this forum goes, I'd call it "traditional".
 
This is an interesting topic! I am still undecided on whether a screwed together, otherwise traditional pattern, is still a traditional knife in my book.

I am trying to imagine what a stockman pattern looks like with screws for the covers and screws for the pivots.

An interesting topic, thank you.
 
Easyrider said:
This is an interesting topic! I am still undecided on whether a screwed together, otherwise traditional pattern, is still a traditional knife in my book.

I am trying to imagine what a stockman pattern looks like with screws for the covers and screws for the pivots.

An interesting topic, thank you.
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I thought I would take 15 mins to build a stockman with screws for you. The real thing would have the pivot screws recessed & color matched so they would not stand out as much.
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Dean51 said:
I thought I would take 15 mins to build a stockman with screws for you. The real thing would have the pivot screws recessed & color matched so they would not stand out as much.
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Hmmmm, the screws seem to take away from the lines of that stockman.

I also imagined a screwed together Lanny's clip as a shadow pattern and I could totally relate that as a traditional.

I still have not come to a conclusion.
 
Easyrider said:
Hmmmm, the screws seem to take away from the lines of that stockman.

I also imagined a screwed together Lanny's clip as a shadow pattern and I could totally relate that as a traditional.

I still have not come to a conclusion.
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How about if I take 3 screws away & match the color better? :)

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With respect to the forum rules and boundaries, the moderators will determine what is and is not appropriate. And it's not my intention (or interest) to debate forum rules or moderator decisions. If someone posts a topic on the Benchmade "Bone Collector" and it's not what I want to read, then I can just hit the back button on my browser. But with respect to my own opinion of the definition of "traditional"... the "Bone Collector" isn't traditional even if you remove the pocket clip. I would call the photoshopped Queen stockman a "traditional" even though it hypothetically uses screws instead of pins.

One thing that came to mind is... you could grind down the heads of the screws after assembly so they look pins. Just a thought. It might be a good option for someone who prefers to use screws for assembly but doesn't like the appearance.
 
Not sure how the Benchmade is a traditional knife since it is designed to have a pocket clip. Pocket clips is one of the first things to make a knife "non-traditional" in the past. In addition it has "jimping" on the blade and traction grooves, all signs of "modernity". Maybe it started out "modern" but had one of those "change operations" with the removal of the clip and switched ball teams :)
 
To some extent, traditional knives have evolved and are evolving. In 1963, that Buck 110 would have been considered a modern knife or at least a modernization of an old pattern.
 
I don't know for sure if the bone collector is traditional or not, so I asked. That's why I had never posted it here before it's also why I'll never post it here again. If over time more knives like the Bone Collector straddle the line and gain in popularity, the moderators will come to a consensus on it.
It's what they do.

I still don't know but I have an opinion.

I bought that knife as a dedicated small game knife & it had to meet a certain set of standards. No longer than 3 7/8 long, (pocket carry) a drop point blade with a modern steel & a worry free handle that wouldn't soak up game & fish juice. Slip joint or lock back it didn't matter but thumb stubs, holes, assisted openers and flippers where not considered. All that limited my options.

All I had to do was remove the pocket clip, which left me with two unused screw holes in the handle. That's fine with me because it's not a show or EDC knife. It's a field knife.

I posted the photoshopped stockman to see what easyrider thought of it.
After further thought most pins in a traditional are maybe .85 to .125 in diameter, so I don't think it would be practical to build a stockman much less a peanut with a screwed pivot. It would require a larger pivot hole & there's not a lot of tang material on a slender traditional pattern. But maybe screwed on handles with the center spring pin hidden under the handle material. Then the handles could be changed with out splitting the knife in half. Leaving the screwed pivots to larger patterns.
 
I'll admit I'm not as hard line about traditionals as some. To me a traditional is all about the pattern. The steel can be the 1085 or CPM154. I don't care if it's hand made with all the expense & variations that come from that process. Or if it's built using the latest automated equipment & methods with tolerances of .001. As long as I get a good USA made knife at a decent price I'm happy.

Traditional knives have evolved from the beginning and always will. Blade shapes, combinations & patterns have come and gone. Once upon a time traditionals were in every hardware, now not so much. Most stores in town are stocking 5 & dime moderns, it's getting hard to find a traditional knife. TSC, Ace and Walmart are the only place in town you can get a pocket knife and their selection is poor at best. A few Case's and a couple Bucks.

I grew up when, Schrade/Old Timer and Camillus were big companies in the knife world. Both among others are gone now. They were not as perfect as the often romanticized image we hear about in stories. All the quality issues we hear about to day have always been there.

My concern is unless a company comes along that can produce a traditional knife with modern methods in volume and with consistent quality and most of all affordable to the main stream. The traditionals will go the way of the Dodo bird.

GEC makes traditional knives in with traditional methods but a very limited run of GEC's will not make the traditional knife main stream again.

If I've learned anything in life it's this, that which does not evolve dies.
 
Lo/Rez I hope you post a picture of your finished knife, I enjoy watching a budding knife builder evolve and improve.
 
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