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There is video on youtube of a guy abusing the hell out of an MTech copy of CS trailmaster bowie. In the end he shoots it with a handgun. It was still useable
I would recommend to stay away from United Cutlery, Master Cutlery and M-Tech for knives that will actually be used.
Also, to clarify some confusion I saw in the thread, Master Cutlery is the parent company/wholesaler.
They are the umbrella company over something like 24 brands and 4-5,000 knives. M-Tech, Master USA, Elk Ridge, Tac Force, Z-Hunter, etc... are all Mastery Cutlery brands.
Who's buying all this stuff? Lol
Yep, there are big differences between "cheap" folders and "cheap" fixed-blades.
With a folder you've got moving parts, a lock (on locking folders), and a variety of small parts in general that all need to work together properly to produce a safe and usable knife. There isn't a lot of room for error in folding knives.
But what is a fixed-blade? It's basically a sharpened, hardened piece of steel with a handle attached. It's a lot easier to produce a safe, properly functioning fixed-blade than a folder.
You keep hearing this all the time, and this is so obviously false it takes almost too long to outline all the numerous reasons why...
Big fixed blades require shock resistance, which requires a temper. Many Chinese made blades are well known to hold an edge surprisingly well, better than some super steel customs in fact, but have no real temper, which allows them to shatter at the slightest shock or drop in temperature...
A lack of temper has really little or no effect on a folder below 4". And, since liner locks have become ubiquitous, the requirements of machining precision have gone way down due to the inherent simplicity of liner locks... That is why you can find $25 liner lock folders that are either indistinguishable in performance from high end folders, or actually out-perform them in edge-holding...
Just because an item has more parts doesn't mean it costs more...
On a fixed blade, not only do you have to deal with a dangerous shortcut that is completely invisible, a lack of proper temper, so a very tempting shortcut to make, but the complexity of a fixed blade is way greater when you factor in the quality of the sheath and how that sheath inter-acts with the knife: A fixed blade is actually two items...
Not only that, but a "thinnish" blade folder can still perform well, whereas a good large fixed blade must be at least 5-6 mm thick to not vibrate the hand to hell when chopping (even the Bk-9 fails on that respect), unless the handle is well insulated, so then you still have a blade that is too light to perform well chopping...
The MT-151 is probably the closest to what the OP is looking for, but is still maybe potentially dangerous owing temper issues. As for the hollow handle knife he suggests, it is unfortunately 3.5 mm thick, but still reasonably blade-heavy owing to the low sabre grind: It is still too thin stock in my opinion, but the handle certainly looks to be well-insulated, so who knows?
My minimal choice is over 2-4 times the OP's budget, but it would be my choice of minimum budget performance: It actually out-performs all other knives of a similar size in chopping ability, including anything from Busse that is not longer or heavier: Weight is very reasonable at 22 ounces for the 6 mm stock:
Ontario SP-53:
Gaston
Although I may disagree with you on some things, I respect your opinion and your right to express it.You keep hearing this all the time, and this is so obviously false it takes almost too long to outline all the numerous reasons why...
Big fixed blades require shock resistance, which requires a temper. Many Chinese made blades are well known to hold an edge surprisingly well, better than some super steel customs in fact, but have no real temper, which allows them to shatter at the slightest shock or drop in temperature...
A lack of temper has really little or no effect on a folder below 4". And, since liner locks have become ubiquitous, the requirements of machining precision have gone way down due to the inherent simplicity of liner locks... That is why you can find $25 liner lock folders that are either indistinguishable in performance from high end folders, or actually out-perform them in edge-holding...
Just because an item has more parts doesn't mean it costs more...
On a fixed blade, not only do you have to deal with a dangerous shortcut that is completely invisible, a lack of proper temper, so a very tempting shortcut to make, but the complexity of a fixed blade is way greater when you factor in the quality of the sheath and how that sheath inter-acts with the knife: A fixed blade is actually two items...
Not only that, but a "thinnish" blade folder can still perform well, whereas a good large fixed blade must be at least 5-6 mm thick to not vibrate the hand to hell when chopping (even the Bk-9 fails on that respect), unless the handle is well insulated, so then you still have a blade that is too light to perform well chopping...
The MT-151 is probably the closest to what the OP is looking for, but is still maybe potentially dangerous owing temper issues. As for the hollow handle knife he suggests, it is unfortunately 3.5 mm thick, but still reasonably blade-heavy owing to the low sabre grind: It is still too thin stock in my opinion, but the handle certainly looks to be well-insulated, so who knows?
My minimal choice is over 2-4 times the OP's budget, but it would be my choice of minimum budget performance: It actually out-performs all other knives of a similar size in chopping ability, including anything from Busse that is not longer or heavier: Weight is very reasonable at 22 ounces for the 6 mm stock:
Ontario SP-53:
Gaston
I don't know anything about Master Cutlery's tempering on their fixed blades, but I sure hope they do! I haven't any catastrophic failures yet...
Not sure how I could have missed the SP-53 until now. That thing does look pretty awesome for the price.
You keep hearing this all the time, and this is so obviously false it takes almost too long to outline all the numerous reasons why...
Big fixed blades require shock resistance, which requires a temper. Many Chinese made blades are well known to hold an edge surprisingly well, better than some super steel customs in fact, but have no real temper, which allows them to shatter at the slightest shock or drop in temperature...
A lack of temper has really little or no effect on a folder below 4". And, since liner locks have become ubiquitous, the requirements of machining precision have gone way down due to the inherent simplicity of liner locks... That is why you can find $25 liner lock folders that are either indistinguishable in performance from high end folders, or actually out-perform them in edge-holding...
Just because an item has more parts doesn't mean it costs more...
On a fixed blade, not only do you have to deal with a dangerous shortcut that is completely invisible, a lack of proper temper, so a very tempting shortcut to make, but the complexity of a fixed blade is way greater when you factor in the quality of the sheath and how that sheath inter-acts with the knife: A fixed blade is actually two items...
Not only that, but a "thinnish" blade folder can still perform well, whereas a good large fixed blade must be at least 5-6 mm thick to not vibrate the hand to hell when chopping (even the Bk-9 fails on that respect), unless the handle is well insulated, so then you still have a blade that is too light to perform well chopping...
The MT-151 is probably the closest to what the OP is looking for, but is still maybe potentially dangerous owing temper issues. As for the hollow handle knife he suggests, it is unfortunately 3.5 mm thick, but still reasonably blade-heavy owing to the low sabre grind: It is still too thin stock in my opinion, but the handle certainly looks to be well-insulated, so who knows?
My minimal choice is over 2-4 times the OP's budget, but it would be my choice of minimum budget performance: It actually out-performs all other knives of a similar size in chopping ability, including anything from Busse that is not longer or heavier: Weight is very reasonable at 22 ounces for the 6 mm stock:
Ontario SP-53:
Gaston
Claiming that a knife will out chop all knives in it's size range is a pretty bold claim. I doubt that there are many people who have extensively tested all Busse's in that size range and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that NOBODY has extensively tested every knife made in that size range. Even if someone had the money to do it, you'd never have enough time to actually use them all. Add to that the fact that ergonomics are a huge factor and that, all of us being individuals, what works very well for one person may not work worth a darn for another.
A knife doesn't have to be expensive in order to work well. This is absolutely true. Claiming certain knowledge of a particular blade's absolute, universal supremacy is, with all due respect, misinformation and bs that only makes things more confusing for people just getting into the hobby who are looking for real information.
Hey guys. First off, i'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this in. Just move the thread please if anythings wrong.
Second, first post. New on the forums. Hello.
I wanna buy my first knife, with a pretty low budget. (100PLN, 25 USD)
I really want the Master Cutlery HK-2236B knife, but i heard the company is absolute garbage.
HOWEVER, user reviews of this knife at least tell a different story, and they don't go below 4 stars on a 5 star scale.
So the question here is: Is Master Cutlery REALLY so bad? I highly doubt that it will break after being dropped from the roof of a two story building (or maybe even a four story) - i mean, it's steel. Maybe not the best of the best but it is steel.
I tried asking this question on other forums but really all i got was a wave of hate, butthurt and people telling me to buy a Mora knife (which is not for my needs, absolutely)
I hope fellow englishmen (that includes Americans don't feel missed out!)
Also sorry for being a moron and making another "what should i buy is it good" thread. Forgive plz.
Sorry.