Is the compression lock stronger than the axis lock?

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The Axis lock, the Rolling lock, and the Compression lock have been all the new hype for a while now. And no wonder: these locks can stand up to more than our body weights (or so they claim). So which is the strongest??? Can they be rated side by side?
 
I believe ( if I misunderstood then its my fault not Spyderco's) rather than get into which is stronger than another...SPYDERCO is going to try to set up a rational rating for lock toughness / strength..one we can all relate to in real time terms...and any lock can be tested and fit into..

All these locks are good...locks have personalities like knives..so if all of the above mentioned locks are good, OK very good, then other criteria must be used to judge a lock..

Personally I prefer a lock that is simple: no buttons, slides, springs, cams, or pins
A lock that doesn't get fouled by dirt, dust or goo...
A lock that cannot be disengaged by panic, slippage or white-kniuckling...
A lock that I can disengage WITHOUT taking my hand off the knife..

hmmm I guess I just limited my lock selection...Oh well..

For example the lock back is not dead..and you didn't include it in your list..the Lock back in the CHINOOK is AWESOME...hmm over 800 inch pounds...
oops no numbers that's right..trying to keep this open....
of course any style lock that appears in an MBC knife has got to be really really tough!
have a great day..
Again if I mistated something its my fault not Spydercos...LOL!

 
I believe that strength is important in a lock, but we sometimes overlook other important features such as reliability and ease of use. Not to mention one that isn't prone to be accidently unlocked.

I have not handled a compression lock, yet. I do have several axis locks and find them extremely reliable, easy to use, and strong.

I would be curious as to exactly how these locks compare to each other in a variety of tests including strength.

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sayeth Bram-"Personally I prefer a lock that is simple: no buttons, slides, springs, cams, or pins
A lock that doesn't get fouled by dirt, dust or goo...
A lock that cannot be disengaged by panic, slippage or white-kniuckling...
A lock that I can disengage WITHOUT taking my hand off the knife.."

Actually Bram, that leaves out the compression lock.

The locking liner is a hardened, tempered spring-it slides across a cammed surface. At least the several dozen I have seen act in this manner...Pins? That big old stop pin qualifies as that too I think.

White knuckling seems to be in favor of the compression lock, but my Axis lock knives don't disengage in various grips.


I am very excited about the compression lock.
Once it is put into a viable utility/ defensive folder Spyderco will really have something.

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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
 
O.K
enough with all the political corrctness..
all the locks will exceed 800pounds per inch lock strength [o.k one of them much more]
so they are all very good[one is extremly good].so you can't go wrong with any of them..and other factors will come to mind like fit,finish,type steel,etc..
o.k i can't help it [sheeessh..it's the compresion that rules..but don't say i told you.]
scorpio.
 
No its not a SPRING..there are several that USE springs...an action of "springing across" is not in any way qualifying as a spring..
no buttons, no anything...simple lock..
The lock is between the blade and the compression stop...
no pins don't hold it in place..
more force the more it holds..lock CAN'T go anywhere...

But others may like the pins, cams, buttons whatever...thats personal...

As Nemo has tested in France and posted recently its the easiest knife/lock he's ever tested to keep clean and doesn't jam..

The compression lock in the MBC line up are very very good..period..

and as I stated the lock back, a VERY simple lock, in the CHINOOK is stronger than most locks of other types and esily qualifies as MBC...

Newer designs aren't always the best..and sometimes the complexity is too much...
the more moving parts the greater the chance of something breaking..

to each his own....

Glad you got home safe n sound Scorpio..

Oh well..sorry you'don't feel that SPYDERCO makes a viable defensive edged tool...( or is that they just don't put the compression lock into a SPYDERCO model you feel is viable??)
LOL...again thats personal and if thats how you feel, well then its valid..ROFL...

off to teach a seminar..see ya.

[This message has been edited by BRAM (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
If it is hardened, bent, tempered piece of steel, than isn't it a spring, albeit a very big one? If it did not have the properties of a spring, then the lock would cease to work.

No offense to yours and Taylor's design, Bram..It just isn't my cup of tea, and for me it is not viable. To each his own.

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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
 
I am a big fan of the Axis lock too, but it seems clear that the compression lock is more simple. It seems rather moot to discuss them in terms of strength, though I will be interested to see how well the compression bar withstands deformation under hard abuse.
 
I agree that the compression lock is simpler. It also has done away with the need for a ball detent as on a liner lock.
I've done hundreds of of hard openings with my Gunting drone and a lot of contact training on a cutting dummy. I don't think that there will be any real world problems with it. The only thing I feel is more reliable is a fixed blade.
I also like the Axis lock, but have had two jam (in the open position) on hard openings. This after only a dozen or so uses. IMO, great for utility, but not as reliable when it hits the fan under extreme stress.

My $0.02
 
WOW the Gunting not a defensive tool??? Bram sure did inflict a world of hurt on me at the NYC show with that Gunting thing of his!!! LOL I wonder what he is capable of with a true defensive tool??? Just at of curiosity and not to start trouble... Anthony- can you recommend a knife that you would consider a good defensive weapon that is capable of both lethal and non lethal force?

[This message has been edited by Guntaholic (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
I agree with Steve...How can you intelligently state that the Gunting is not a defense tool?
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You obviously have not seen any of the tapes, not have you had it used on you.

I would be more than happy to remedy that. You are invited to my school in Miami Beach and I will personally show you just how effectively the Gunting can be used as a self defense tool.
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And I am just a poor defenseless female, but I am sure I can change your opinion about the Gunting.

If you would prefer a man to show you, I'm sure Bram would be happy to "educate" you on the proper use of the Guning in one of his seminars, Gee, I think we are havig one this weekend in Clearwater.


Jody
 
Anthony you are mixing apples and oranges..
A sringing action to enable the piece to move,ie the "liner" to move out into the nesting spot IS NOT engineering wise the same as a spring that is activated to move or hold something under tension that varies..ie a spring loaded button or release..like a compression spring or a coil spring...
Plus what do you mean not viable?
you don't like it..no problem..VIABLE?
VIABLE " capable of being put into practice
:Workable: having a reasonable chance of succeeding
I'd say the GUNTING is VERY Viable..as a self defense tool..might be why Sal Glesser himself called it a WATERSHED event in the history of knives...
seems very viable to me..
matter of fact since it doesn't probably work..it REALLY works its certainly viable..

Gee might be why its an MBC knife...

but again YOU personally don't have to like it!

[This message has been edited by BRAM (edited 11-16-2000).]

[This message has been edited by BRAM (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
The Gunting doesnt fit the bill for me.
If you need further explanation send me a private email.

The ATR with compression lock holds much more appeal to a mere mortal such as myself.

If you read my post, you would see that I said a viable utility/defensive knife.
The Gunting may be very viable for your style of defense. Its not viable for my defensive style or utility uses.

I am sure you are very proud of the Gunting, Bram, and rightfully so.

It certainly seems very popular. Just because I dont think that it is viable shouldnt ruffle your feathers. I am sure there at least 1200 others out there that will love it.


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[This message has been edited by Anthony Lombardo (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
Excuse me..but Ok its not your cup of tea..HOW DOES THAT MAKE IT NOT VIABLE?
I don't expect everyone to like the GUNTING..nor the compression lock....
But YOU said it wasn't viable as a self defense tool...
what to you iS a viable self defense tool?
as for the compression lock, Ok you got real time responses..abliet not scientific but from people who BANG the compression lock..
You might want to go to GENERAL, and check out Testing & Reviews where Cliff Stamp has zapped the Roling lock in my original Escalator and the new Compression lock..in a first run GUNTING...As he says..my DRONES ( and their locks)take a pounding that knife guys can't imagine...

private email? why?
I'm not here to make you like a GUNTING nor hear why you don't..
I just want to know WHAT is viable to you..YOu stated it..
just curious...
have a great day.

and Anthony...you CERTAINLY don't ruffle my feathers...

again you mix apples and oranges..not viable and its not going to work in your type of self-defense actions are two VERY DIFFERENT staements...

SPYDERCO makes VERY VIABLE matter seperators....they make very viable edged tools...
designed by knife instructors who understand what is viable,,ROFL...



[This message has been edited by BRAM (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
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You are makig me GAG! Bram's feathers might not be ruffled, but he is much more politically correct that I am. I still can't believe what you are saying.....But to each his own.
 
Anthony seems since others are actually using it IT IS VIABLE...LOL..and they are LEO's....and martial artists...

 
Bram, I have a whole list of reasons why the Gunting won't do it for me. "Me" is the only person I care about, not other Martial Artists, Sifus, Guros, Cops, Robbers, etc.

Obviously you aren't very interested in these reasons, and you will probably mis-quote me.

And, apparently you are here to prove to the world why the Gunting is next greatest thing since sliced bread. It is certainly in your best interest.

We can certainly agree to disagree on this topic.

To list my favorite defensive/utility knives would be moot, after all this thread is about the compression lock, after all. It seems like a great step forward in lock technology.

The Gunting is not viable for me. There, I said it again.

The compression lock looks very viable for me. Too bad for me its in a knife that I do not like.



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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
 
Anthony Lombardo,

I have seen many different people from many different martial arts take the Gunting and work it into thier personal systems with ease. In fact I haven't met a person expierenced or otherwise yet who couldn't enhance at least some of what he/she already knows by applying a Gunting. You can't do this?

You have stated that it's not your cup of tea, and that's your opinion. Which is fine, but I thought opinions were based on FACT, and expierence. I'm only guessing that you havn't actually handled one, seen the tapes, or been to any of the seminars. So where do you get your opinion from? 2nd hand knowledge? Please inform us of your expierence with the Gunting, because it would seem foolish if I were to declare that something is useless to me, form an opinion and then proceed to tell others about it, without having even handled one.

Knives themselves can be defensive tools, and in the very least the Gunting is still a very sharp knife, with a very strong lock, with a length that's legal almost anywhere. These simple facts alone shouldn't be ingnored.

Please clear a few things up.

Driscoll


[This message has been edited by Driscoll (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
Driscoll,

I have seen the tapes (since June)
Handled the knife.(extensively)
Seen the demo's.
Made my own decisions.

I have not been to a seminar.

Is that enough?
 
Extensivly handled the knife? I know for a fact that there arn't too many Guntings out there, and that thier in high demand. I believe in fact that the only Guntings that have been sold have gone through CSSD (Bram Frank) the vast majority of which have been sold at seminars, which you just said you havn't been too, and plenty of them were sold overseas at the Paris knife show, which futher limits the amount here in the U.S., I also believe that the only Guntings sold are the ones that are the serialized, usually sold in sets, what was the number on yours?. So where did you extensivly handle a Gunting? Since I'm an instructor with the Gunting and have been to almost every single seminar so far I've probably met the person whose Gunting you've been extensivly handling. What's his/her name?

Unless of course your talking about and Escalator, which is different and obsolete in so many ways that I would call it a different knife. The improvments on the Gunting alone demand reevaluation if that's what your basing you opinion on.

Driscoll
 
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