is there a "better" AFCK than the AFCK?

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FrancisB

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All,

I'm thinking of getting something like an AFCK. I've read all the older glowing reviews of the AFCK, and wonder if there is something "better" now...

I think the following are the reqirements

- "tactical" whatever that really means
- 3.5 inch or greater blade
- solid ergonomic handle
- weight is a factor (somewhat, but not a showstopper)
- thin is nice (I have an LCC which I love, but thin it's not)

It seems the contenders would be

- Weger (spelling?)
- Military
- AFCK (in M2? is it worth it?)
- starmate
- EDC (don't I wish)

price isnt' a factor really, but I don't see spending $500 for an EDC, as beautiful as it is... I figure most of these production knives are around 100 - 150.

thoughts? ;-)

thanks

 
Spyderco Military is tough to beat. Some don't like it though, so the Wegner is also a damn fine knife, but it has ATS34 which I am not completely happy with.

If you want a 4" folder that is built like a damn tank, try a Benchmade 710 in M2. That knife will serve you for a long time and the lock is among the strongest on the market.
 
I agree, get the Military and you will not regret it
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I have a spydie starmate, and I think it's more a tacitical knife then the military because of the heavier blade and overall function. The liner of makes that awsome nice sound of a rocksolid lockup, but so does the wegner I hear...
Anyway, I love spyderco, but tacticals are not it's best side.
If I am allowed one vote to match your criteria, I would choose the BM AFCK in M2.
Yes, it's defeniteley worth it....

Ever considered a stryker?

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The Military and Wegner are my first choices, not necessarily in that order either.

The Mil is slightly less weight, if that's a consideration. It also seems to stay sharp longer. I just wish the tip was a little thicker.

I prefer the locking system on the Wegner - no stop pin, the blade locks on a solid steel bar. I hunt and camp a lot, and the Wegner handles hunting and routine camp chores as well as or better than the Mil. I also like the drop point style and thicker tip on the Wegner.

I like matched sets, so far, there is no Mil, Jr. (sniff) I did manage to find a Weg Jr though
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My all time favorite is the Emerson Commander, fits like it was molded in my hand, fastest opener there is.
(ok one can argue that it might not be perfectly finished, but it's a workhorse!)
Want somthing more pointed? get a waved CQC-7, or better yet a SOCFK, mine rocks! (but doesn't beat my Commander
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Try'em out!

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Since money is not a big deal, what about a Speedtech. They are truly super knives. $250.00 dollars a pop , but an awesome knife.
Check them out!
 
How about an AFCK with an AXIS lock?

Oppppssss....

Well sorta but look for something along those lines soon
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike Turber:
How about an AFCK with an AXIS lock?

Oppppssss....

Well sorta but look for something along those lines soon
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Yes!!!!! That would be awesome. But how soon is soon?

In the meantime I think a superior choice to the AFCK is the Spyderco Wegner. This is one helluva knife. I carry one daily as a LEO. I would trust this knife with my life. I like it that much. The ergonomics are second to none. It is also an excellent tactical knife. Here is a thread in which Tim Wegner discusses the design and its tactical implications:

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum52/HTML/001159.html


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike Turber:
How about an AFCK with an AXIS lock?

Oppppssss....

Well sorta but look for something along those lines soon
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Please say it will be available in M2. I am tired of Benchmades ATS-34. My AFCK in M2 is a workhorse.

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The AFCK as is will not be an AXIS lock. However there will be a knife with many of the lines and features of the AFCK for a sub $100 price point and Zytel handle. It will sell like crazy but the diehard AFCK fans may be a bit disapointed. You may see them by Blade Show.

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If thats the case, I probably will be disappointed. But I will probably buy one anyway
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Provided you're willing to buy a liner lock -- and it looks like you are -- my opinion is that the AFCK is the clear and obvious choice, especially if you get it in M2. The other strong choices include the Military and Wegner. However, the neither of those knives has the incredible grip security and ergonomics of the AFCK to me. I emphasize "to me" because people's hands are different, and you should personally handle all three knives to see if any of them fit your hands particularly well or badly.

To me, other reasons to pick the AFCK over the others. For all of the knives, the possibility of getting M2 in the AFCK is an advantage that's unparalleled. The Wegner is very heavy, and you said weight counts. The Military's very long handle causes carry-comfort issues for me. Starmate definitely lacks grip security compared to the AFCK, but is otherwise another strong contender. The Benchmade 710 replaces the liner lock with the Axis lock -- which is enough of an advantage to me to put away my AFCK forever. But if this is a don't-care for you, then the AFCK's superior security-of-grip beats out the 710's more comfortable but less-secure grip. Also, the AFCK's opening hole is a better opening system than the 710's stud. SOCOM's security-of-grip, and grip comfort, both lag far behind the AFCK, as does the opening studs versus the AFCK's hole.

That said, all of the above knives would be excellent choices for what you're looking for. I just think the AFCK is the best choice in a liner lock, and the M-2 AFCK, head-and-shoulders the best choice.

All in my opinion, of course, and opinions do vary widely around here
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All,

thanks for sharing your thoughts. It sounds like I should look at the Military, Wegner, and possibly wait for an Axis lock AFCK.

I have an older AFCK, and the things I don't like about it are 1) the tip is fragile, and I've chipped off a bit of it (not really it's fault I know) and 2) the liner lock seems "wimpy" compared to the LCC and SERE 2000, two recent knives I'm very impressed with... It's getting so worn, I'm going to be getting rid of it, as the liner goes all the way to the right of the blade... It just doesn't feel as solid as I like.

Does anyone know if there really be an AFCK with an AXIS lock?!? that, in M2 would be the cats meow...

thanks again for all the input!

Francis
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike Turber:
The AFCK as is will not be an AXIS lock. However there will be a knife with many of the lines and features of the AFCK for a sub $100 price point and Zytel handle. It will sell like crazy but the diehard AFCK fans may be a bit disapointed.</font>
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Zytel? Dear Lord, can they not just make the damn thing right? Yeah, disappointed is an understatement. If there was ever a knife just begging to be made, it's an Axis AFCK. It's not like everyone on Earth wouldn't buy one. Sounds like we'll see an "Axis Ascent" instead
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Was really hoping to see one in those pics from the Shot Show
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To be even remotely interesting, they'll have to do a better job on the zytel handle than they do on the current 4"-blade Ascent. The zytel handle on that knife is an abomination, in my opinion.

My guess is that a real axis AFCK is just a matter of time. Maybe it's easier to change the zytel moldings than it is to tool up for titanium liners and g-10 handles, so they're going with the zytel first. But there's no way that they're so dense that they don't see the advantage of a real axis AFCK!

Joe
 
I find the Military to be the best folder for duty use. The MT LCC and full size Calypso are close though.
Take care,
Chad
 
If you don't have an Axis lock yet, get a 710 in M2. It has only one advantage over the Axis lock AFCK - it exists.
 
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