is there any talk of spyderco coming out with assisted ?

kneedeep said:
If the only reason autos don't appeal to you is the risk of them accidentally opening in a pocket, then you should have a look at the autos that use G&G Hawks Crossfire Lock, accidentally pressing against something can't fire it. I've been carrying A ZT 0650 ST since it was released and never had an issue with it opening accidentally. Disengaging the safety and opening the blade are one smooth action. I generally carry it clipped in a cargo pocket where it gets banged around quite a bit.

I just noticed that Sal posted and answer to the original post, so it is probably time to let this thread run its course.
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For some reason I seem to have to defend all my opinions. No, I didn't say that was the only reason I don't like autos. I also don't like them because they involve unnecessary complexity and add no utility beyond what a one hand opener provides (disabilities excepted, of course.) It's the same thing I said about A/O knives. I hope that covers it.

I'm not surprised Sal jumped in and I'm not surprised by his post either. It would have surprised me if he would be working on an A/O.
 
By the way, I own 4 autos, 2 machetes and 2 khukuris, but not a single A/O. None of them have ever been carried.
 
Knife Outlet said:
For some reason I seem to have to defend all my opinions. No, I didn't say that was the only reason I don't like autos. I also don't like them because they involve unnecessary complexity and add no utility beyond what a one hand opener provides (disabilities excepted, of course.) It's the same thing I said about A/O knives. I hope that covers it.

I'm not surprised Sal jumped in and I'm not surprised by his post either. It would have surprised me if he would be working on an A/O.
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The intention was not meant to put you on the defensive, it was a friendly suggestion trying to address what seemed like your only objection to automatics. If you reread my post you will note that I actually said "If the only reason autos don't appeal to you is the risk of them accidentally opening in a pocket". If that was not the case then you should feel free to ignore the suggestion.
 
kneedeep said:
Arthritis can make it very difficult to open a manual folder (yes even one handed openers with a hole), where an A/O makes it effortless.

I had a friend in college with Cerebral Palsy that could not have opened a manual folder with two hands, much less one. A/O makes it easy.

There are countless reasons that someone might not have the manual dexterity or the strength to open a manual one handed knife. Assisted openers (and even autos) are a huge benefit for these people.
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Just to play devil's advocate here; Do these people have any difficulties closing an AO knife?
 
Dekz said:
Just to play devil's advocate here; Do these people have any difficulties closing an AO knife?
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That's one thing that rarely comes up in the AO or not debate... and not just people with arthritis or other dexterity problems. Sure, AOs are easy to open one handed, but they're not easy to close one handed.

I was bitten pretty good one time closing a Camillus Heat with wet hands. That knife needs considerable force to overcome the spring tension when closing. It slipped.

I'd rather open and close my knife a little more slowly and do so safely. I've never needed a knife in a situation where I had to have it immediately. A few seconds isn't going to make a lot of difference.

AO just doesn't fit with Spyderco's design philosophy. But they're still out to make money and if the knife buying public wants it, they'll eventually offer it.
 
I work with some people who lack the dexterity to open a regular knife. The same man that can draw his Blur, cut the string snd put it back in his pocket before sheeple realized what happened, is incapable of opening my Sg2 JYD. It's about the smoothest knife I've ever held, but injuries have left him unable to flip I'm consistently. He opens his Blur with the stud, cut, then disengages the lock, pushes the blade into the corner if his pocket, and clinches around it to close it. It works for him.

A lot of you seem to think AO is just a joke, but for some, it makes a one handed knife possible
 
Jake Bauer said:
Awesome!
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This is just an off the wall question, but, if Spyderco did make an AO.... would you buy one? I'm not trying to be a jerk.... seriously.... I can understand brand loyalty, but, to dismiss a class of blades so completely as to imply that it is an awesome thing that your favorite brand decided not to make one seems odd to me. :confused: any insight would be appreciated :thumbup:

All that being said, could I tempt anyone with a Lone Wolf with an Axis Lock, Spyder Hole, JL Williams style hidden flipper and Speedsafe....I'd give it a shot. :D
 
Spyderco does make AO, however you must be in Military, Police, etc.. and have to fill out a form to be able to purchase one.
 
I hope they never do.

Either make it manual or make it an Auto. I see ZERO use for assisted openers. Plus they simply get around the switchblade law via a "loophole".

I want no part of anything assisted.
 
Dekz said:
Just to play devil's advocate here; Do these people have any difficulties closing an AO knife?
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The average auto (side opening) is generally harder to close than an assisted opener because the spring tension is there and gets stronger up until the knife is closed. A/O knives spring tension is less and switches to pushing the blade closed past a certain point.

In either case though once the blade is unlocked they can usually push the blade closed against something.
 
David Lowry said:
I hope they never do.

Either make it manual or make it an Auto. I see ZERO use for assisted openers. Plus they simply get around the switchblade law via a "loophole".

I want no part of anything assisted.
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Do you think autos are useful or do you simply prefer manuals only? I know plenty of folks who have no use for anything other than manual knives. Heck...I know plenty of guys who have no use for anything other than slip joints.

I don't understand the "loophole" statement as laws vary from state to state.
 
J_Curd said:
I did! ;)

A tip-up AO flipper is one of the two fastest ways to get a knife in hand, open, in the proper grip. It is only surpassed by a waved knife.
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I might be thinking about it wrong, but it seems like if you use your index finger in the spyderhole to open it instead of your thumb (which is what I do), your hand is in the same grip as with an AO flipper. Actually, I think you're a little closer to the proper grip because your index finger is already there to wrap around where the blade was, rather than bent and pointed at the spine of the knife. But again, i don't own any flippers, so I could be picturing it wrong.
 
David Lowry said:
Plus they simply get around the switchblade law via a "loophole".
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Hrm...simply not true. Secondly, that law is one of the most asinine laws on the books.

You should be more opposed to a ridiculous law than a mechanism that enables more functionality... unless of course you don't value your rights as a male in America.
 
I don't know about anyone else but my Kershaw RAM is the easiest knife to open and close that I have ever used. Its also my favorite knife ! Its a flipper.
And it's in my pocket right now.
Still waiting for the RAM III.
 
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