Is this a legitimate sebenza?

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In addition to being torx, it looks like the fasteners on the fakes are not countersunk at all. This is obvious even in poor quality pictures.
 
The scales look too thick and the chamfering on the edges is not significant enough (look at that flat shot with the cut out for the thumb stud). The screws look like torx and a dead giveaway is how far they stick out of the scales on those flat shots. Search for a Chris Reeve Lanyard pin as well and see the differences. Even as simple as the paracord...I've never seen paracord from the factory have the white ends showing or be that loose around the pin. Very subtle, but only noticeable due to having one in front of me.
 
SubaruSTi said:
Has anyone bought one of the fakes on eBay?
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I knowingly bought one a long time ago. Hate to support counterfeiters but I wanted to know as much about Sebenzas as possible and I saw part of that was knowing how to confidently tell the real ones apart from the fakes. Judging by the one in this thread though they've really upped their game since then.
 
Hell I’ll admit it, I just ordered one of the tanto 21’s on eBay for $54 it looks pretty good for the price and I just have to know how good it actually is. Says it’s D2 steel. If it’s better than my Kershaw-Emerson CQC-6k I’ll be happy with it. Maybe I’ll share a photo or do a YouTube (I’m not a YouTuber) or forum review. Although these knives are wrong, a direct copy is one thing after 30 years of something being in production but to copy the logos and packaging as to allow people to scam others is very wrong!
 
SubaruSTi said:
Has anyone bought one of the fakes on eBay?
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I have a friend that did. Decent knife for the $50 bucks he paid I guess. Doesn’t seem to hold an edge very well. The blade has scratches all over it and all he mostly cuts is thick cardboard. Acts like it’s on the side as far as hardness goes.
 
I originally would have said legit, but the pictures do show torx screws so I say a fake.
 
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My fake arrived around about two weeks ago. It’s working fine. It’s sort of a mixed bag, a 21 but with a ceramic ball insert. I have used it pretty hard and it is holding up fine. D2 steel arrived really sharp and it has been easy to touch up. Blade is hollow ground like the real deal but the edge seems to be a regular V edge. I’ve used it in the woods making a few feather sticks and even decided to baton a 1.5 inch hardwood stick. The lock is holding up great and it’s a testament to the actual CRK design. My real CRK is obviously a better knife but the fake is a great knife for $55

The problem is these can fool people at a gun show or eBay etc and that is a big problem but that problem also exists with thousands of products. Some of the other knock offs like fake spyderco are even harder to spot especially for me.

Beware of what you buy. Buy from authorized dealers or you might wind up with a fake Sebenza or a S0ny branded TV…
 
SubaruSTi said:
Although these knives are wrong, a direct copy is one thing after 30 years of something being in production but to copy the logos and packaging as to allow people to scam others is very wrong!
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If you know it's wrong for them to be making and selling these, then why did you support them by buying one?
 
Copies and clones can be tempting, but if you dig into it, you would see that your money just doesn't support outright theft, but supports extremely nefarious entities that do a lot worse than just making fake knives and watches.
 
Judging from the quality I bought a knife from some skilled knife makers. I think it’s wrong to put the logos on them. The design is pretty old
 
brock stewart said:
Not cool. Any copy new or old is theft and if it takes jobs away from Americans it’s even worse. Just my humble opinion
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I understand where you are coming from. I am a very pro American & pro Union man. Real CRK knives are amazing. If I’m wanting to spend 40-50 should I buy a Chinese knife from cold steel or kershaw or buy from some hard working small company that also happens to be Chinese?

The design is a close copy but in truth the knife itself is not a total copy of a CRK. The logos are what I have a problem with. I don’t like the idea of someone buying a fake thinking it’s real. However I believe CRK makes more knives than these guys, they are sort of rare.

Review time: after more hard use the blade is holding up great. I think I found the weakness in the ceramic ball interface. Upon further abuse the hard ceramic ball has dented the lock face of the blade. The damage is very minimal and I feel if this were a Ti on steel the knife wouldn’t work the same. The dent is very light and I cannot tell it’s damaged in regular use and no up down blade play is present. I think the rea issue is the ball doesn’t engage with enough steel to dampen the forces. A lock bar interface like Hinderer that is larger might mitigate this issue. Granted this is really outside the parameter of regular use and is actually abuse. Without batoning the interface should last the life of multiple blades.

The short coming on these fakes are the hardware quality, being so much thicker than the real knives you can’t just get real hardware and swap it over.

Real CRK, Spyderco etc are worth the money, you get more advanced machining and fitting that make the entire knife. Anyone who doesn’t believe in the 31/Inkosi design I can say the ceramic interface is stupid strong!
 
SubaruSTi said:
I understand where you are coming from. I am a very pro American & pro Union man. Real CRK knives are amazing. If I’m wanting to spend 40-50 should I buy a Chinese knife from cold steel or kershaw or buy from some hard working small company that also happens to be Chinese?

The design is a close copy but in truth the knife itself is not a total copy of a CRK. The logos are what I have a problem with. I don’t like the idea of someone buying a fake thinking it’s real. However I believe CRK makes more knives than these guys, they are sort of rare.

Review time: after more hard use the blade is holding up great. I think I found the weakness in the ceramic ball interface. Upon further abuse the hard ceramic ball has dented the lock face of the blade. The damage is very minimal and I feel if this were a Ti on steel the knife wouldn’t work the same. The dent is very light and I cannot tell it’s damaged in regular use and no up down blade play is present. I think the rea issue is the ball doesn’t engage with enough steel to dampen the forces. A lock bar interface like Hinderer that is larger might mitigate this issue. Granted this is really outside the parameter of regular use and is actually abuse. Without batoning the interface should last the life of multiple blades.

The short coming on these fakes are the hardware quality, being so much thicker than the real knives you can’t just get real hardware and swap it over.

Real CRK, Spyderco etc are worth the money, you get more advanced machining and fitting that make the entire knife. Anyone who doesn’t believe in the 31/Inkosi design I can say the ceramic interface is stupid strong!
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I do not think this is appropriate in this forum
 
At this point the question has been answered and the discussion has taken a wrong tern.
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