Is this a regular pattern or is it specific to KA-BAR?

RickHuf

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Hello everyone.

First, thank you for sharing so much of your collections here. It's been very interesting learning about all of the different knife companies and patterns.

Last week I picked up an auction lot just to learn, see some things in person and research the manufacturers. It's been fun.

A couple knives really stood out and this KA-BAR specifically hasn't left my pocket since cleaning it out and getting it back into functional condition.

It is old and was definitely carried for many years, but wow it is a nice knife. Three blades... Well... 2 1/2 blades now.

The primary blade is 1/8" thick. A nice heavy clip point. On the opposite side are a pen blade and what used to be a smaller clip point I think, but it's now a flathead screwdriver, lol. It is basically equal ended with a small swell in the center.. the heavy blade folds down in between the two smaller blades on the opposite side. It measures 3.5" closed. The primary blade is 2 3/8" but it has been slightly reprofiled because of a broken tip. The pen blade is 1 1/2".

This is the most perfect and functional knife pattern I've ever seen. The heavy blade is great for normal tasks or even a bit of abuse. The pen blade is like a little razor. Awesome.

Anyways... After spending quite a bit of time trying to figure out what this pattern is called I'm at a loss. I'd like to see about finding other knives like this or even new ones.

Does anyone know what this knife is called? If it is specific to KA-BAR can anyone recommend other patterns or makers with a similar heavy primary blade with a pen blade on the opposite side?

Thanks for any consideration and sorry for a nit so exciting thread about a worn old knife, but this is (was) a really good quality knife.
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Rick that's known as a swell center balloon pattern. That three blade configuration with the tapered center scale has come to be known as a whittler configuration so some would call it a whittler pattern knife, but that's just a general term for any knife with that blade layout. Nice find!

Eric
 
Yep, Balloon Whittler.

This one made by Queen in the early 2000's:
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An older Cattauragus, with a heavy sabre grind on the main blade, like your Kabar:
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That's a whittler.
Rick that's known as a swell center balloon pattern. That three blade configuration with the tapered center scale has come to be known as a whittler configuration so some would call it a whittler pattern knife, but that's just a general term for any knife with that blade layout. Nice find!

Eric
Thank you very much!

This is going to be fun to dig into. Here I thought it was something a bit odd but turns out to be a popular pattern. I guess it's time to pick up a book or two, lol. There is only so much info you can pull from Google.

Thanks for taking the time to help!
 
Yep, Balloon Whittler.

This one made by Queen in the early 2000's:
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An older Cattauragus, with a heavy sabre grind on the main blade, like your Kabar:
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Oh those are very nice. Cattauragus isn't a company I've read about yet thank you for sharing!
 
This is going to be fun to dig into. Here I thought it was something a bit odd but turns out to be a popular pattern. I guess it's time to pick up a book or two, lol. There is only so much info you can pull from Google.
I’m sure folks here would be more than happy to answer any questions you have. Some of them have extensive knowledge of the topic (I don’t though…).
 
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This is going to be fun to dig into. Here I thought it was something a bit odd but turns out to be a popular pattern. I guess it's time to pick up a book or two, lol. There is only so much info you can pull from Google.
I don't know how popular a pattern it is. Not like the more common Stockmans and Trappers for example. I see vintage ones from time to time, but don't know of any companies making them currently.

Maybe if we post more vintage pictures, it'll gain a resurgence, like Barlows have. 😄
 
split back whittler. Common pattern, with or without the center swell.
I think Case, Rough Ryder and maybe Böker (among others) currently have one in production.
Nice find. Congratulations. 👍
 
I don't know how popular a pattern it is. Not like the more common Stockmans and Trappers for example. I see vintage ones from time to time, but don't know of any companies making them currently.

Maybe if we post more vintage pictures, it'll gain a resurgence, like Barlows have. 😄
It didn't take long to figure out that trappers, Barlows and stockman's are popular. The nice ones get a good deal of attention on the old auction site! Even the average condition ones seem to go for more than most other patterns.

Pictures of vintage knives is always a good idea!

I’m sure folks here would be more than happy to answer any questions you have. Some of them have extensive knowledge of the topic (I don’t though…).
Thanks Tom! The forum members have been great! Lots of knowledgeable people here. I've been reading years of old threads lol.

split back whittler. Common pattern, with or without the center swell.
I think Case, Rough Ryder and maybe Böker (among others) currently have one in production.
Nice find. Congratulations. 👍
That rough Ryder whittler looks kinda nice but I'm reluctant to give them another shot after a fixed blade purchase.

Case came up with a quick search and they seem to be the big company producing similar knives! Good looking stuff.

From taking a quick look, there are some really nice looking whittlers from the Titusville brands. Some similar to this pattern. I'm assuming hard to get though.
 
That rough Ryder whittler looks kinda nice but I'm reluctant to give them another shot after a fixed blade purchase.
I've never tried one of their fixed blades. (or "modern" OHO knives.)
Of the 60 Rough Rider/Ryder traditionals I've gotten, I haven't gotten a bad one.
I find RR a great way to try new patterns, without bankrupting the bank. When I like a new pattern, I can always (air quotes) "upgrade" later, when funds allow. (one exception is the large Sunfish pattern. Case, GEC, and other brands on the second hand market - if you can find one - are several hundred dollars out of my budget.)
 
I don't know how popular a pattern it is. Not like the more common Stockmans and Trappers for example. I see vintage ones from time to time, but don't know of any companies making them currently.

Maybe if we post more vintage pictures, it'll gain a resurgence, like Barlows have. 😄
Swell centers seem pretty popular. Camillus made this pattern for many years....
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When GEC released the 33 pattern, it didn't last long....
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Vintage Knife Co sold out the entire run of these swell centers pretty quickly
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Oh, I haven't heard of those! Who is Vintage Knife Co.?


Small knife company from Brandon MS The knife was made for them by Queen using the original S&M dies from years ago. It was an SFO for 100 knives I think, sometime around 2005.


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