Is this is or is it isn't what I think it is?

kiahs said:
It is a China made knife. It is not made in Taiwan, the steel is not 154cm, and it is not a Boker. These are being imported by the same people importing counterfeit Emersons, Bucks, Benchmades, Spydercos, etc. $6.36 shipped is probably what you would pay retail from one particular knock off site.
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Proof, kiahs...or assumption? You know what they say about those who assume...

The Boker Plus line is made in Taiwan, not mainland China, is also very reasonably priced, and as this is a small knife, it might very well sell for what the OP paid. As there doesn't seem to be a definitive listing of all Boker Plus models anywhere, who can tell?

It looks like it could be a legitimate Boker Plus to me...

kiahs...have you owned any Boker Plus knives?

Again, the Boker Plus line is an inexpensive line of knives made by/for Boker in Taiwan and this could very well be legit...or perhaps not...

Mainly I'm just curious about whether or not you know for a fact this knife is a fake Boker Plus, and where that knowledge comes from...

Ray :)
 
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reholli said:
Proof, kiahs...or assumption? You know what they say about those who assume...
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It is imported by DE. The same people that sell Emersons and Benchmades for $5 shipped. The same people that sell Extrema Ratio knives marked "madenitaly". It is fake.

and as this is a small knife, it might very well sell for what the OP paid. As there doesn't seem to be a definitive listing of all Boker Plus models anywhere, who can tell?
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Please point me to the other $7 154cm knives on the market, it would make my day.

kiahs...have you owned any Boker Plus knives?
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Yes.

Again, the Boker Plus line is an inexpensive line of knives made by/for Boker in Taiwan and this could very well be legit...or perhaps not...
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In relation to your previous question and this comment. I have a genuine Boker Plus Direkt sitting here in front of me marked "440C Stainless Steel CHINA". They aren't all made in Taiwan, but that really has nothing to do with anything as the knife in question is not a Boker.

Mainly I'm just curious about whether or not you know for a fact this knife is a fake Boker Plus, and where that knowledge comes from...

Ray :)
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Yes I do, and the knowledge comes from common sense.

Kiah :rolleyes:

EDIT: I just realized you asked me if I owned any Boker Plus knives while I'm using my Subcom FB (US made Boker Plus by the way) as my avatar. No real point, I just thought it was funny.
 
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Blade hardness of this Boker Plus measured, on the Rockwell scale: 58

The testing took longer as the employer had shut down during the recent record snowfall.

The machine that measured the hardness puts a small round dent into the blade. Three such dents were made and evenly space out from near the pivot hole toward the tip of the blade. The tiny dents appear to go thru any possible surface coating. All three tests gave the same result of 58 on the Rockwell scale.

This is in the ballpark of 440C and 154CM. Huh.

oregon
 
The 154cm blades I have experience do not like to take a very thin edge. They tend to have carbide(?) ripping out leaving very small divots where the primary and secondary edges meet. 440A, a usual knockoff seams much finer grained and should not do this. What does the edge look like, magnified if you can, to you?
 
Close-ups are a good idea. I wish I had a USB microscope (borrowed one a while back, actually a child's toy built by Intel and enjoyed the pics).

Here are four pics of the Boker blade factory edge (with the blade assembled back into the handle), I hope they are helpful (took some thru a magnifying glass without any noticeable improvement of edge detail)(note: bottom ruler scale is metric and top scale is inches):

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Can't lay my hands on my loupe :rolleyes: but the edge feels smooth to my finger nail dragging examination of it.

This blade steel appears to be outstanding and seems to represent a stunning price drop. Huh...

oregon
 
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Gentlemen,
Perhaps you are not aware, but "Daywalker" is Chad Los Banos. THE Chad Los Banos.

If Chad says the knife is BOGUS, that pretty much settles the issue.
 
I'm surprised it tested that high. Interesting. Still not a Boker, but maybe not as horrible (blade wise) as I assumed.
 
The Rockwell hardness doesn't mean much in verifying the alloy identity.

I have a Chinese knife with a blade labeled 440A. It measured 58 RHC.
Buck's standard hardness for 420HC is 58. I got a Buck 301 in 420HC that measured 59.

So a blade with a hardness measured at 58 could be all sorts of alloys.
 
The photo below is supposed to be a Cold Steel AK-47. It's shown on eBay as dark so the details can't be seen. Fortunately the photo can be copied and lightened. This knife is a liner lock. I've reported the guy a half dozen times and he's still making the offering.

CS president Lynn Thompson said anyone low enough to steal someone else's design should be whipped, tarred and feathered. :D

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BTW, if you get a Gerber knockoff at DealExtreme, the knockoff
may have a higher quality blade than some of the Gerbers
I've seen lately! Ah, well....

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$6.36 for 154CM? That alone tells you it's fake, or that it's not really 154CM.

Someone should steal thompson's designs and make them with better materials.
 
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The grain structure would not show up on the factory edge. It generally only show up upon resharpening without using power tools, ie belt sander. If it was sharpened by you then the pics you showed would make me believe it was not 154cm and probably not 440c, which is supposed to also have larger carbides. If it were resharpened I would guess it to be 440A, or 420 of some sort, based on the pics of the edge.
 
everything from deal extreme is made in china, almost all of their items are fakes/copies of other quality items. You get what you pay for.
 
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