Is this knife defective? SUPER weak/nonexistent detent

Are you kidding me...

A flipper depends on the detent to function properly. It should act like an automatic, and work every time.

This is obviously unacceptable, and might get worse over time...

A flipper should be impossible to shake open. Weak detents are not acceptable on any liner lock in any case, since they can open in your pocket from simple friction or contact...

Gaston
 
The first video makes the detent look decent, but the second removes any and all doubt that the detent is unacceptably weak, especially for a high dollar knife. I would return or trash a $10 knife with a detent that bad. Definitely contact the seller, because that is some serious bull.
 
Light detents scare me. I carved my hand up years back on a folder that opened in my pocket. I have a custom that I have had for 5 or 6 years that was always light but now it has gotten so bad that I should send it in. I hesitate to but I know the guy would want me to.
No one would want to be responsible for injuring a customer if they could help it.
The bottom line is that it is your choice, if it opened in pocket you should politely state the issue, I bet it will be fixed and back in your hands before you know it.
We can't make the decision for you, the video only goes so far.....

Russ
 
Does the knife even have a detent. Everyones talking about a weak detent. I wonder if theres a detent hole in the blade at all or maybe the detent ball popped out.
 
Gaston444 said:
Are you kidding me...

A flipper depends on the detent to function properly. It should act like an automatic, and work every time.

This is obviously unacceptable, and might get worse over time...

A flipper should be impossible to shake open. Weak detents are not acceptable on any liner lock in any case, since they can open in your pocket from simple friction or contact...

Gaston
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I disagree that a flipper shouldn't be able to shake open.
 
Sorry, I think my initial post was less than clear. I didn't buy this knife from the maker. I bought it second hand from the auction website (under the impression we're not supposed to use its proper name.)

The seller is the one I have the problem with. I wanted to return it, but he's insistent he won't take a return on the item and that it's fine.

I contacted the maker and he basically said that he wasn't as good at making flippers then as he is now. He has offered for me to send it in and he'll enlarge the detent hole to improve the detent.

It's just a bit of a sticky situation because I consider the knife defective and the seller says it's a matter of opinion. I ended up closing my return request and I think I'll just send it to the maker to have him fix. I did leave him negative feedback for refusing to work with me (he also advertised the knife with the incorrect blade length, which I think alone would be enough of a reason to be required to accept a return.)
 
Bending the lockbar is possible, I have done that a few times, but if the lockup if perfect right now, might end up making things a lot worse. Gotta be careful!
 
The maker said exactly what I would want to hear.
Send it to him....forget the shady seller!!
Let us know how it works out with the maker!
Good luck!
Joe
 
palonej said:
The maker said exactly what I would want to hear.
Send it to him....forget the shady seller!!
Let us know how it works out with the maker!
Good luck!
Joe
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Yeah I would send that to the maker since he offered to repair it. Dealing with the seller will obviously be unpleasant with an uncertain outcome.
 
Too weak for my taste, but not so bad as to constitute a defect. We'd all like to think that a seller would be willing to take a return, but the culture on eBay (presumably where you bought it) isn't going to be the same as here. I'd just send it to the maker to see if it can be improved.
 
It sounds like the best option has presented. Negative feedback and then send it to the manufacturer for repair. Now, if the blade length puts you in a legal issue, I'd send it back and file the claim. That is enough that I'd bet eBay will side with you. If you like the knife beyond the detent, then send it in, avoid that seller, and enjoy what comes back with a stronger detent.
 
Gaston444 said:
A flipper should be impossible to shake open.
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TheFactor said:
I disagree that a flipper shouldn't be able to shake open.
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Yup. I have never had a flipper I couldn't shake out. Yes it can take a lot of force (Think NYC gravity knife test) but it has always been possible. We have to be careful about spreading misinformation.

As for the knife in the OP, that is ridiculously weak. Glad the maker will take it back for a fix.
 
Gaston444 said:
Are you kidding me...

A flipper depends on the detent to function properly. It should act like an automatic, and work every time.

This is obviously unacceptable, and might get worse over time...

A flipper should be impossible to shake open. Weak detents are not acceptable on any liner lock in any case, since they can open in your pocket from simple friction or contact...

Gaston
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This is the way I feel also, having owned quite a few flippers that I could shake open...and sold them.
I have this "stock" Brad Southard framelock AVO. I've carried it now nearly two yrs. It flips PERFECTLY...every time. It does NOT SHAKE loose, and believe me, I tried really hard...REALLY hard from various angles, holding positions, etc. It does NOT shake out.
I suppose that some good flippers, framelocks or linerlocks, can be shaken out, but I don't want any.
 
Detents are a matter of preference of the maker/or who ever commissioned it. From the vid though it doesn't look bad at all. Had a couple good shakes before it popped open. Would not classify that as non existent imo.

dkb45 said:
The first video makes the detent look decent, but the second removes any and all doubt that the detent is unacceptably weak, especially for a high dollar knife. I would return or trash a $10 knife with a detent that bad. Definitely contact the seller, because that is some serious bull.
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I agree, the second video makes it seem a lot weaker than the first.
 
mbp said:
Sorry, I think my initial post was less than clear. I didn't buy this knife from the maker. I bought it second hand from the auction website (under the impression we're not supposed to use its proper name.)

The seller is the one I have the problem with. I wanted to return it, but he's insistent he won't take a return on the item and that it's fine.

I contacted the maker and he basically said that he wasn't as good at making flippers then as he is now. He has offered for me to send it in and he'll enlarge the detent hole to improve the detent.

It's just a bit of a sticky situation because I consider the knife defective and the seller says it's a matter of opinion. I ended up closing my return request and I think I'll just send it to the maker to have him fix. I did leave him negative feedback for refusing to work with me (he also advertised the knife with the incorrect blade length, which I think alone would be enough of a reason to be required to accept a return.)
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You can return it through "the auction site". The seller will be forced to reimburse you for the entire amount and pay the return shipping. Start the process ASAP.
 
You can return it through "the auction site"

Assuming that Hermit Dave is correct...DO IT if you are uncomfortable with the knife.
 
IMHO a flipper should not shake open at all. + how-ever-many to send it to the maker. A strong detent is just part of the package on a flipper and that one is no bueno. Please don't bend the lockbar yourself because it probably won't fix this one and springs are very hard to unspring. Once the detent is corrected you'll have too much drag and possibly a harder time unlocking. A detent on a flipper needs to sit way down deep. If you look at the detent with a light source behind it you should see it fall into the hole when closing. There should be only the smallest amount of gap between the lockbar and the blade when closed.

It's not an easy thing to get just right and since the maker has improved on his skills since he made this one he would probably be very happy to get it back to make it up to his current standards.

Mark
 
KIVALO said:
I bought a 0560 that had really weak detent like that, I sent it right back to ZT for work.
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Did zt do a good job of adjusting the detent?
I have a 0562cf with a weaker detent than I prefer, and am considering sending it to zt
 
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