is this mike turder ripping off Rob or what?

DumboRAT,

I don't want to risk offending you again (or any member of the elite, oriental brotherhood of those who push 'the big iron'), but just how hard can it be to land from four feet up? Is it the wind-shear from the step ladder?

I know little kids that fall out of bed from loftier heights.

However, this does explain why my favorite Chinese restaurant sends my food home in a 'metal bird.'
 
Originally posted by fishface5
I don't get why people keep dumping on mike turber. Here's a guy who really tried to straighten things up in china, to set a good example but he was backstabbed for his efforts. The company he was working with, to make quality non-knockoff products, ripped him & the designers off. And he is out-gunned in the $$ department, so he gave up the legal fight. He put a lot into trying to do something positive, took a big hit, and yet people smear him for his efforts. At least the guy tried to do something about the problem, that's more than most folks can say. And no, not buying entry-level knives isn't the same as "making an effort," most people on these forums - who buy customs & high-end productions - aren't buying chinese knockoffs anyway.
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Mtech got into the business because of Mike, and he's created a monster.

Ever thinks about the other side of the equation here? Mike goes over to China and convinces them about all the knives they could sell, had them invest in a series of tooling, raw materials, and ramping up their factories just to back out of the deal, for whatever reason? So now the factory's got all this money sunk into making those designs, with no buyer, and more importantly, no contract. Really smart thing to do here. Especially in a country that's known for ripping off other people's designs. Mike may not have a business relationship with them, but the coincidence that lots his BOSS designs are the ones being ripped off here is highly suspecious.
 
Originally posted by tonyccw
Mtech got into the business because of Mike, and he's created a monster.

Ever thinks about the other side of the equation here? Mike goes over to China and convinces them about all the knives they could sell, had them invest in a series of tooling, raw materials, and ramping up their factories just to back out of the deal, for whatever reason? So now the factory's got all this money sunk into making those designs, with no buyer, and more importantly, no contract. Really smart thing to do here. Especially in a country that's known for ripping off other people's designs. Mike may not have a business relationship with them, but the coincidence that lots his BOSS designs are the ones being ripped off here is highly suspecious.
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Ok, I'm trying to figure out what you mean here. MTech is owned by Master Cutlery and were making cheap knockoff knives long before Mike had anything to do with them. They did not need to invest in anything to make these knives other than a little tooling. The reason he went to them was because they were capable of making the designs he had without going through all the hassle of setting up to do so.

MTech were not willing to quit doing knockoffs, but the problem was that they had already gotten their hands on the Boss designs. That is why, even though there has been a parting of the ways, that you are seeing these designs coming from MTech. Master Cutlery are once again showing what kind of business ethics companies like these have. Stealing designs is an acceptable way of doing business in many countries. We have to realize that as far as they are concerned, they are doing nothing wrong.
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
Ok, I'm trying to figure out what you mean here. MTech is owned by Master Cutlery and were making cheap knockoff knives long before Mike had anything to do with them. They did not need to invest in anything to make these knives other than a little tooling. The reason he went to them was because they were capable of making the designs he had without going through all the hassle of setting up to do so.
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Master Cutlery is not the owner of the factory that is making these knockoffs. Master is a major subcontractor. Mike went to China to find and build up a factory that is not affliated with MTech to make his BOSS knives. It just didn't turn out that way.
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
MTech were not willing to quit doing knockoffs, but the problem was that they had already gotten their hands on the Boss designs. That is why, even though there has been a parting of the ways, that you are seeing these designs coming from MTech. Master Cutlery are once again showing what kind of business ethics companies like these have. Stealing designs is an acceptable way of doing business in many countries. We have to realize that as far as they are concerned, they are doing nothing wrong.
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Keith. It's very simple. Without people to sell these knives to, Master Cutlery would be easily out of business. Read again what I wrote about who else needs to be out of the process before these companies can be eradicated. This includes almost all major online knive resellers.
 
Originally posted by tonyccw
Keith. It's very simple. Without people to sell these knives to, Master Cutlery would be easily out of business. Read again what I wrote about who else needs to be out of the process before these companies can be eradicated. This includes almost all major online knive resellers.
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Tony, of course you are correct, but it is pretty well a certainty that this will never happen. There are too many none knife people that buy these things because they are cheap and cool looking. They don't even realize that the knife they have bought is a knockoff. If there are people to buy them you are going to find companies that will sell them. Making money is more important to these companies than taking a stand against theft of intellectual property. These companies all seem to use the excuse that if they don't sell them their competition will. The fact is that they are more concerned with profit than with ethics and that is unlikely to change in the future.
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
Tony, of course you are correct, but it is pretty well a certainty that this will never happen. There are too many none knife people that buy these things because they are cheap and cool looking. They don't even realize that the knife they have bought is a knockoff. If there are people to buy them you are going to find companies that will sell them. Making money is more important to these companies than taking a stand against theft of intellectual property. These companies all seem to use the excuse that if they don't sell them their competition will. The fact is that they are more concerned with profit than with ethics and that is unlikely to change in the future.
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Keith, for non-knife loving people, fine. For readers of this forum, there is no excuse. My intent is that putting the blame sorely on the Chinese factories only addresses the first of many guilty parties. BF members who continue to blame only the Chinese factories in this thread, needed to have their moral compass adjusted.
 
Originally posted by tonyccw
Keith, for non-knife loving people, fine. For readers of this forum, there is no excuse. My intent is that putting the blame sorely on the Chinese factories only addresses the first of many guilty parties. BF members who continue to blame only the Chinese factories in this thread, needed to have their moral compass adjusted.
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I understand and agree.
 
Maybe Mel was alot closer to the truth than he realized:eek: :eek:

Wasn't MTECH one of the three Company's Mike was working with, and wasn't Mike the only one paid????
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
Maybe Mel was alot closer to the truth than he realized:eek: :eek:

Wasn't MTECH one of the three Company's Mike was working with, and wasn't Mike the only one paid????
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The answer to the first part is yes and the answer to the second part is no.
 
The 2 people I know that did finally get paid, had to settle for much less than they had agreed to.
If you really believe that Turber ever cared about stopping anyone from making knock offs or had any interest ever except trying to make money you should really come to NY and check out this neat bridge we have for sale that connects Manhattan and Brooklyn. If you think I dont know what I'm talking about, talk to any of his ex-partners or business associates. He can be convincing to talk to though.
 
Originally posted by lifter4Him
If you really believe that Turber ever cared about stopping anyone from making knock offs or had any interest ever except trying to make money you should really come to NY and check out this neat bridge we have for sale that connects Manhattan and Brooklyn.
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I'd like to have a look at that bridge. Producing knives at an ultra low cost with a knifemaker's name behind it sounds like a good idea. I doubt he was planning on changing the face of the country, that much was either fantasy or hype. I don't think anyone gets into a business for any reason other than to make money.
 
The Tourist :

No worries, no offense was ever taken -- as long as things are done in good-nature, my idea of inter-racial/ethnic relationships is founded deeply in my scientific training as a biologist. We're all red underneath.

:)

And hey, you'd be surprised at the wind-shear that I can generate after eating my own ethinc cuisine !

Allen
aka DumboRAT
 
DumboRAT,

It sounds as if we have the same type of friends. For example, when my friends are describing how well a custom part fits, they'll say something like, "It fit the way a pasta fork fits Ichabod's hand."

:D

They're right, of course, it just ticks me off that they can be SO RIGHT and get a laugh. I have to find new friends.;)
 
Not sure if Mike will want to get involved in this thread or not. He has mentioned that he was getting right out of the knife business and will be selling only scooters from this point further. From the sounds of things that will make lots of folks on this thread very happy indeed.
 
I remember the huge deal Mike made out of his confrontation of Joy Enterprises because he alleged they were selling knock-offs. I also remember Mike giving his 'word' that he was diligently working to eliminate knock-offs. Many were pretty skeptical but Mike was unwavering in his posts insisting that he was making a huge dent. Mike asked that we all take a wait and see attitude. [Do it right, Do it right now] :rolleyes:

I guess BOSS went belly-up but Mtech, one of the Companies Mike was working closely with, continued to produce these Knockoff's with little or No compensation going to the Makers. Did MIke get paid for them using his Designs?

My sense is that Mike took the money and ran, abandonned those Maker's that submitted designs and agreed to have their name used, and made far more cash than any other involved in his 'attempt' to rid the world of knock-offs.

Maybe I am way off base and maybe Mike is filing a ton of Lawsuits as we speak to insure Christine recieves fair compensation for Rob's name appearing on this knock-off and going after Mtech and the others for using many of the BOSS designed knives.

You there Mike?
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601


My sense is that Mike took the money and ran, abandonned those Maker's that submitted designs and agreed to have their name used, and made far more cash than any other involved in his 'attempt' to rid the world of knock-offs.
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My thoughts exactly.



Maybe I am way off base and maybe Mike is filing a ton of Lawsuits as we speak to insure Christine recieves fair compensation for Rob's name appearing on this knock-off and going after Mtech and the others for using many of the BOSS designed knives.
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I highly doubt it, but we may be suprised.
 
"Maybe I am way off base and maybe Mike is filing a ton of Lawsuits as we speak to insure Christine recieves fair compensation for Rob's name appearing on this knock-off and going after Mtech and the others for using many of the BOSS designed knives."

Yeah Wolfie, hang onto that thought! I think I'll wait until I get my money from Miriam Abcha, the wife of the late Doctor Abcha who was killed by the Nigerian Government, or elected Pope (not bad for a Lutheran boy) to see which way this one ends.

Get your 2x4 Ira.
 
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