Is this PM2 legit?

Lapedog said:
Thanks, I didn't notice the other pictures. Looking at them it looks real. You can usually tell the fake PM2s by where the g10 is relief cut for accessing the compression lock tab. On the fakes the relief cut has sharper corners whereas the real ones it is rounded. Also the jimping is another place to look. Far as I can tell the one in the picture is real.

Now you just have to hope he sends the knife in the picture and not a fake PM 2 instead. How do you know he will send the real one.

Just go to a legit dealer.
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I don't see enough of the lock bar cut out to verify that tell. Some of the jimping looks good, others it is hard to see. Also, if you follow the evolution of fake pm2s, they are just getting better and better. Some of the old tells don't work anymore.

Generally the box and packaging is a poor way to tell a fake because of the wide variation in legit packaging and because that is the easiest thing for the counterfeiters to change to get correct.

Jill makes a good point about cost. After fees and $5 shipping estimate this guy is selling all 10 of these pm2s for about $93. That is a great profit for a counterfeit. A horrible loss for a legit pm2.
 
The math suggests that this dealer could only be selling at a loss if he's legit, or raking in the profit on counterfeits. There's an old saying we all know...

I'm pretty confident in my own ability to spot fakes, but even with that and my chronic cheapness, I wouldn't consider buying a NEW PM2 off any site like eBay or Amazon because there's too much room for dealer shenanigans that just aren't worth the hassle even if you get your money back. Hit the Exchange here on BF, save some cash, and make friends while you're at it! I scored my PM2 for $72 "used" but it barely had a mark on it! I couldn't throw my money at it fast enough!
 
We sell on EBAY and I will tell you that a lot of knives are legit on there. Spyderco is usually not one of them. Probably the most counterfeit knife out there on EBAY right now is Spyderco. The deals are always too good to be true....because they are.

As Jordan at DLT said.....buy from a reputable dealer here on this site (especially for $13) and rest easy that it is legit.
 
bigsurbob said:
Seller has a 99.8% positive rating with 1739 reviews. I bet it's fine. But I'd much rather score one on Bladeforums. Way more fun watching the For Sale forums and interacting with a knife geek about it all.
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i don't think that means much. there are many sellers with 600+ positive feedbacks selling $20 sebenzas..... i wonder how they haven't been closed down yet...
 
It is 100% true that the fakes just get better and better. One of the old best tells for a fake was the grinding done to that relief cut out for accessing he compression lock. The other was the jimping, on the real it was like a staircase going up the spine climbing up around and over the hole. On the fake they were more like this, ^^^^^, with the teeth of the jimping pointing straight up.

By now they could have easily become aware that those were tells and corrected it. If we aren't careful and keep pointing out all the differences then eventually the clone PM2 will be the most exactly copied fake out there. There will be no way to tell them apart. Then I guess you'll just have to buy from a legit dealer...
 
I'm sure the majority of that seller's customers either know exactly what they are buying intentionally, have no clue it's fake, or just want a knife and this one looks good with no knife knowledge at all. In any case, if they get what they order and all expectations are met then they will leave feedback reflecting the sale. Feedback reflects on the seller, not the products they sell (some exclusions apply, see dealer for details lol).
 
Lapedog said:
It is 100% true that the fakes just get better and better. One of the old best tells for a fake was the grinding done to that relief cut out for accessing he compression lock. The other was the jimping, on the real it was like a staircase going up the spine climbing up around and over the hole. On the fake they were more like this, ^^^^^, with the teeth of the jimping pointing straight up.

By now they could have easily become aware that those were tells and corrected it. If we aren't careful and keep pointing out all the differences then eventually the clone PM2 will be the most exactly copied fake out there. There will be no way to tell them apart. Then I guess you'll just have to buy from a legit dealer...
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I caught a PM2 in the wild that had been returned to a cabela's: http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/update-fake-pm2-at-cabelas.1220121/
 
Yeah I saw that thread. What a low down scam. I wonder is if someone bought a real and returned a fake, in order to get a refund and sell the real after. That is a pure "I need some loot for my next fix" type of move. (Sorry upon rereading the thread it seems there were too many fakes for this to be the case)

Or was it some scumbag manager or employee at Cabelas who thought he could make a little extra selling a few fakes. Maybe someone in the shipping took the shipment of reals and replaced it with fakes.

All speculation of course. I'm sure that it was all an honest mistake and nothing dishonest happened. :rolleyes:
 
Lapedog said:
Yeah I saw that thread. What a low down scam. I wonder is if someone bought a real and returned a fake, in order to get a refund and sell the real after. That is a pure "I need some loot for my next fix" type of move. (Sorry upon rereading the thread it seems there were too many fakes for this to be the case)

Or was it some scumbag manager or employee at Cabelas who thought he could make a little extra selling a few fakes. Maybe someone in the shipping took the shipment of reals and replaced it with fakes.

All speculation of course. I'm sure that it was all an honest mistake and nothing dishonest happened. :rolleyes:
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It was customers returning fakes to get either cash or credit. They didn't even buy original real ones from cabela's. Boxes were fake. Return department unknowingly took the fakes back. Same thing that happens at Amazon. These big box places know nothing about knives outside of maybe the knife department. That is why you buy from a knife dealer here.
 
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My jumping doesn’t “climb up around and over the hole” and I bought from an authorized dealer. My jumping only goes up the spine on the blade from the frame up the back of the spine to about 10 o’clock (holding knife open horizontally in left hand with the tip pointing to my right). The teeth points are perpendicular to their position on the curve. They point straight up right at the handle and increasingly to the left as they climb up the spine to the 10 o’clock position.
If I have a fake, it’s a darn good one.

Edited to say — I must be ok. The Para2 thread above has a collection of 6 different models and they all look like mine. Whew!
 
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A genuine Spyderco PM2 in any flavor is well worth their asking price. Risking buying one with fake -unkown steel is just not worth it. A fake PM2 is practically a ganzo and should "command" the same price. (~$15). Buying a genuine one from a legitimate dealer is the way to go.
 
Already been said a dozen times but I'll add to it: buy from authorized dealers. There are plenty who support the forum.
 
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