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GraysonK

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Hi all,
I need some opinions:
Okay, so I've got my Tenacious which I LOVE.
I've got my Dragonfly which I LOVE (a little more than my Tenacious since I can and have used it a lot at work)
I want more spydercos. But, I'm a practical gal with a limited budget so I want to make sure that I'm going to use whichever knife I buy next. I use these knives. I like to collect blades, but I really like to use my knives. So, here's my thinking and I would like your opinions on this:
My next knives will probably be:
1. A Ladybug (probably in the VG-10 or the new Salt)-I need one for my keyring because my Dragonfly is in my pocket always.
2. A rescue knife-probably the Atlantic Salt SE or the Salt 1-I do a lot of hiking, but more importantly swimming in rivers, lakes and such. and I'll be on the water alot this summer either in a kayak or on a boat with friends. I like to be prepared and I love rescue knives. My yellow gerber has served me very well but it's rusted like crazy.

I would like to get either a Native or a Delica at some point. The Endura just doesn't appeal to me. I'm leaning toward the Native (the pink one because proceeds to go Breast Cancer cause...way to go Spyderco!) but I really don't think I want it right now because...Well I have my Tenacious and my Dragonfly. I just don't need it right now. So what do you think? I guess I just want someone else to tell me that it's alright not to get what I want right now but it's okay to get what I feel that I need to round out my EDC stuff. I'm out and about a lot from late spring to late fall and I use my knives.

I know this is stupid, but I really do want some opinions. If any of you have any other suggestions I'll gladly accept them.

Note: The reason that the Endura doesn't appeal to me is not because it isn't a great knife. I'm just partial to the wider blade style. And, to be honest, other people aren't quite as intimidated by that style either.
Okay, I'm done rambling.
Thanks,
Gray
 
Atlantic Salt Yellow FRN, it's got a different blade shape from what you already have and it's easy to find if you lose it.
 
The rescue knife sounds like a priority to me, and I think you're right that you don't need a Native or Delica since you have the Tenacious, but the question I would ask myself is: do I really need a keychain knife? It sounds like you always have a pocket knife with you anyways, which is easier to get to than a keychain knife and which I would use more.

I also think that a pink Native would be a bit more people-friendly than a Tenacious, and could probably be used at work in rotation with your Dragonfly. Those are my thoughts, anyways.
 
At this point, you're really looking for the Salt. Whichever one of that series you get will fill a niche that the knives you have now do not.
 
npueppke said:
The rescue knife sounds like a priority to me, and I think you're right that you don't need a Native or Delica since you have the Tenacious, but the question I would ask myself is: do I really need a keychain knife? It sounds like you always have a pocket knife with you anyways, which is easier to get to than a keychain knife and which I would use more.

I also think that a pink Native would be a bit more people-friendly than a Tenacious, and could probably be used at work in rotation with your Dragonfly. Those are my thoughts, anyways.
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That is a very excellent point and suggestion. Thank you.
 
Indeed, the rescue salt seems to fit your present needs best. Everyone should have a piece of H-1 anyway! :p
 
Ok,
Is the Atlantic Salt all that much more than 3.5 inches? In WV (if I'm reading the law right) says that you can't carry a folding blade that is more than 3.5 inches long. I"m pretty sure that we are talking about just a few 16ths of a inch over 3.5. I am looking at the Save Salt or the Atlantic...really want the Atlantic but length and legality are a problem. Having said that, would the Saver perform the same way the Atlantic does? It looks like it has almost the same geometry only shorter. Any suggestions?
Gray
 
I believe that the Saver and the Atlantic should perform fairly equally. It depends on the way you use your knife and make your cuts. I would go with the Saver just on it's more compact design. As far as your other future purchases go, I would look into a pink Delica. To me the Native has always had more of an aggressive look to it because of the false double edge swedge. Either way you go you're going to own one hell of a knife. And whatever you do decide make sure you post pics for all to see.
 
GraysonK said:
Ok,
Is the Atlantic Salt all that much more than 3.5 inches? In WV (if I'm reading the law right) says that you can't carry a folding blade that is more than 3.5 inches long. I"m pretty sure that we are talking about just a few 16ths of a inch over 3.5. I am looking at the Save Salt or the Atlantic...really want the Atlantic but length and legality are a problem. Having said that, would the Saver perform the same way the Atlantic does? It looks like it has almost the same geometry only shorter. Any suggestions?
Gray
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The Atlantic Salt has a blade of 3 11/16th inches length. West Virginia's anti-weapons statutes (which I just reviewed and deplore) state in pertinent part [in § 61-7-2 (3)], "A pocket knife with a blade three and one-half inches or less in length, a hunting or fishing knife carried for hunting, fishing, sports or other recreational uses, or a knife designed for use as a tool or household implement shall not be included within the term "knife" as defined herein unless such knife is knowingly used or intended to be used to produce serious bodily injury or death." I'd be willing to argue in court that an H-1 rescue-style blade constituted a "tool," particularly since you said you'd be using it while participating in water sports. However, if a judge disagreed, you'd be the person going to jail.

The Saver Salt (with a 3 3/32" blade) is the "safe" choice under WV statutes. Personally, I'd pick the Atlantic Salt but then I'm an incorrigible scofflaw.
 
AbnInfantry said:
The Atlantic Salt has a blade of 3 11/16th inches length. West Virginia's anti-weapons statutes (which I just reviewed and deplore) state in pertinent part [in § 61-7-2 (3)], "A pocket knife with a blade three and one-half inches or less in length, a hunting or fishing knife carried for hunting, fishing, sports or other recreational uses, or a knife designed for use as a tool or household implement shall not be included within the term "knife" as defined herein unless such knife is knowingly used or intended to be used to produce serious bodily injury or death." I'd be willing to argue in court that an H-1 rescue-style blade constituted a "tool," particularly since you said you'd be using it while participating in water sports. However, if a judge disagreed, you'd be the person going to jail.

The Saver Salt (with a 3 3/32" blade) is the "safe" choice under WV statutes. Personally, I'd pick the Atlantic Salt but then I'm an incorrigible scofflaw.
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Ok, so basically that means that a "tool" could be longer than 3.5 inches as long as I don't try to kill or hurt someone with it? Am I reading that right? Out of curiosity, what about the law "deplores" you? Not that I disagree, I'm just curious. I'm still trying to learn.
I know the Saver Salt is the "safe" choice and truth be told the Atlantic is a little big, but I really, really love the look of that knife. I like the serrations on the Atlantic a lot, I just hope the Saver will be comparable.
Thanks again,
Gray
 
GraysonK said:
Ok, so basically that means that a "tool" could be longer than 3.5 inches as long as I don't try to kill or hurt someone with it? Am I reading that right?
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Yes. What's ambiguous in the WV statute is precisely what constitutes a "tool." For all practical purposes, a "tool" is what your trial judge (or existing WV case law) says it is. If I was arrested in WV for carrying an Atlantic Salt, I'd certainly argue the "tool" defense in court. It's a shame WV legislators used the phrase "hunting or fishing knife" when "carried for hunting, fishing, sports or other recreational uses." An H-1 knife ideally suited for use in boating, kayaking, scuba diving and other "recreational uses" probably wouldn't pass muster in court as a "hunting or fishing knife."

GraysonK said:
Out of curiosity, what about the law "deplores" you? Not that I disagree, I'm just curious. I'm still trying to learn.
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I have the peculiar notion that every human being has an unalienable individual right to keep and bear arms — any arms, anywhere, anytime — for the defense of their life and liberty. The Declaration of Independence states individual rights are "unalienable" (that which cannot be taken away). The Second Amendment states in pertinent part, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This all seems pretty straightforward to me but my beliefs place me at odds with probably 97% of my fellow Americans and nearly 100% of contemporary politicians, judges and LEOs. :(
 
Hey Gray... I am also a boater... I have not found any need for a "water" safe knife. For four years I was a year-round boater... rafting hundreds of times in the summer on the Arkansas and on the New/Gauley and Rio Grande the rest of the year... I have found that most stainless steels are fine with any care... not total anal retentive care, just some care... The ONLY knife I've had get rust spots (which were easily removed) was a Strider SnG (S30V) and I blame that on the bead blast...the shinier the surface, the less porous, the less "grip" rust has on the steel, and vise versa. I use a folder for my river rescue knife... I even LOST a Sebenza on the Arkansas... This year I'll be carrying a Delica 4 and a Benchmade "Strap Cutter Long" (rescue hook). I reckon my Paramilitary will join me accidentally IWB...

I would put a Delica 4 at the top of your list. It is a FANTASTIC EDC.... Of course, you need to try out a "Golden" Spydie sooner or later! ...the UKPK... the Paramilitary... both are under 3.5"... I'm switching from Military to Paramilitary for CO laws... I HATE it since I much prefer the Military, and it really is not completely illegal, but I'd rather avoid the court system. There is just no concern for "regularized carry" which is to say if you are involved in activity which NEEDS or REQUIRES a knife (like boating) you should be able to carry whatever you wish so you are VERY familiar with your tool... not changing tools to something you are unfamiliar with because you are only alloud to carry it in a place which you've never "needed" it and maybe never even used it because you have not (YET) beed entrapped under water by rope or your sandal or pinned under a raft... There really is no SENSE in this "control." Now we are forced to carry toys in the place of tools simply because of ignorance and biased control...

...and you thought YOU were rambling! Maybe wait until the new Natives come out??? So far, I like the Delica better than the Native...but I SURE wish the Delica was made in Golden Colorado like the Native is...
 
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