Is this sufficient for a first belt order?

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Ok I'm trying to navigate the variety of belts available. I ordered a 2x72 and it should be here and ready to go next week. I have read various threads about belt preferences and I know everyone has different ones they like. I was going to go with 3M ceramics but being totally new to this I would much rather mess up a cheaper belt than a high end one while I'm learning. I have read good things about Merritt from TruGrit so I think I'm going to try them out.

I'm going to be doing smaller blades and I'm find with satin finishes for now. Here is what I am about to order:

5x Merritt 36 Ceramic
5x Merritt 60 Ceramic
5x Merritt 120 Ceramic
5x Hermes 60 AO JFlex
5x Hermes 120 AO JFlex
5x Hermes 220 AO JFlex
5x Hermes 320 AO JFlex
5x Hermes 400 AO JFlex

How does this look? Will I need more of certain grits? Anything I'm missing? I'm also going to get a belt cleaner for when I'm shaping handles.
 
The VSM ceramics are a lot better than the Merritt in my experience
Hermes jflex belts are fine unless you want to use coolant, in which case the splices blow apart.
Personally I'd replace the ceramics with vsm, and the jflex with either Merritt or klingspor, but other than that you've got a good lineup.
I'd probably try at least one 3m gator belt as well, probably an A100.
 
Personally I would go for

VSM 885 36
VSM 885 50
VSM 885 100
Hermes 346 100
Hermes 346 220
Gator A65 (240grit) A45 (400 grit)
Cork 400 grit

This will take you up to a nice satin finish

Be sure to check out TruGrit, unlike others with only a few options, they are an actual abrasive supplier to all industries and they have everything from the lowest cost belts to the highest cost belts and everything in between.
 
The Gators are the bomb. They are pricey, but they last a LOT longer than AO belts. As for Hermes, the blue gray AO belts are the only ones from them that I have tried that are worth a damn. But they all wear out quick, so I question paying extra for Klingspor yellows, etc. Gators are MUCH better for use use with steel.
 
What about for handle shaping? I've seen people going on about J Flex. Are they no good?
 
I second AVigil. The VSM belts in my opinion are better than the merrit brand. I have used both and have got better life out of the VSM. Also the cork belts in 400 and 800 are a good choice if you want a nice satin finish.
 
I use either klingspor yellow or the Merritt green for jflex. The klingspor belts are nicer, but the Merritt belts are enough cheaper to make it about even in my experience.
I use them mostly for handle shaping, but I'll occasionally clean up plunges with a 400.
The Hermes belts I've used are the brown ones, and they blow up with the slightest water. One of those is how I put a fillet knife mostly through my hand.....

My finishing routine is a160, a100, and A45 gators, followed by a 400 cork and a 1000 cork.
One of each of the finishing belts will last for many knives.
 
It's all preference. I personally can't stand the yellow klingspor j-flexes because of the splice, and buy the blue hermes j-flexes in 120, 220, and 400, and then Awuko 800's, which are incredible, and I use more than any other belt. They're cheap, I buy 50 or so at a time.

Bear in mind that your 120, 220, and 400 j-flex belts will be used a lot for handle work also, and they wear out quickly on steel. I personally don't use the same ones I use for steel, on handle material, as they're dull and will burn and cause issues with handle material. Also this is the area where grinding steel, using a dull belt will fuck your grinds up as quick as anything.

I buy 5 or more times as many fine grit belts as I do course ceramics. I typically order 10- 50 or 60 grit, 10- 80 grit, and 10- 120 grit ceramics (usually 3m 984F cubitron ii's and the 967F for hard steel), and then 20- 120grit Hermes j-flex, 30- 220s, 400s, and 40- or 50- 800 grit Awuko j's.

The finer AO belts, only cut well for a short time, it's not an issue with the AO grain, it's just the fine belts lose cut and abrasive quickly. For a while I bought the 3m ceramic j-flexes in 120 and 220, but honestly they didn't last any longer in my opinion.

The j-flex belts are cheap though, usually $2-3 or so each. Use them like they're free is the mantra, especially the higher you go. Keep the ones you use for handle material seperate though, because especially 120, 220, and 400's can be used much longer on non-steel grinding, as long as that's all you use them for.


Also, I highly recommend getting a few cheap AO course grit belts for rough handle shaping. They're cheap, and will last a very long time if you use them only for this purpose, and will actually cut insanely better on handle material than your ceramics, which can serious screw up handle material, and the belts in this use.

I can't remember how long I've been using the same 36, 60, and 80 grit cheap AO belts for roughing and flattening handle material, just buy a few of each, then use the j-flexes you get for finish work.


You'll find out what works for your methods. I've tried most of the belts, and tricks out there. Cork belts, all the structured abrasives, have a whole stack of scotchbrite belts, don't use any of it very often for my style of grinding and finishing. I do occasionally use one of the really course gator (trizact) belts they came out with in the last couple of years, but don't find the rest of them to cut well enough or fast enough. Yeah they last a long time, and are probably great for certain satin belt finishes, but I rarely do belt finishes, and my goal is to get my grinds up to 800 with finished plunges as quick as possible, and only take a few minutes to hand rub to a fine satin hand finish.

Some of the things like trizacts, cork belts, leather belts, are expensive, so maybe try them out at a friend's first if you're on a budget, or when you've figured out what kind of grinds and finishes you like. Belts that work great for flat grinding non-hardened carbon steel, may not work worth a shit for hollow grinding hard stainless, etc.
 
Very helpful post! I will definitely seperate my handle belts and steel belts!

It's all preference. I personally can't stand the yellow klingspor j-flexes because of the splice, and buy the blue hermes j-flexes in 120, 220, and 400, and then Awuko 800's, which are incredible, and I use more than any other belt. They're cheap, I buy 50 or so at a time.

Bear in mind that your 120, 220, and 400 j-flex belts will be used a lot for handle work also, and they wear out quickly on steel. I personally don't use the same ones I use for steel, on handle material, as they're dull and will burn and cause issues with handle material. Also this is the area where grinding steel, using a dull belt will fuck your grinds up as quick as anything.

I buy 5 or more times as many fine grit belts as I do course ceramics. I typically order 10- 50 or 60 grit, 10- 80 grit, and 10- 120 grit ceramics (usually 3m 984F cubitron ii's and the 967F for hard steel), and then 20- 120grit Hermes j-flex, 30- 220s, 400s, and 40- or 50- 800 grit Awuko j's.

The finer AO belts, only cut well for a short time, it's not an issue with the AO grain, it's just the fine belts lose cut and abrasive quickly. For a while I bought the 3m ceramic j-flexes in 120 and 220, but honestly they didn't last any longer in my opinion.

The j-flex belts are cheap though, usually $2-3 or so each. Use them like they're free is the mantra, especially the higher you go. Keep the ones you use for handle material seperate though, because especially 120, 220, and 400's can be used much longer on non-steel grinding, as long as that's all you use them for.


Also, I highly recommend getting a few cheap AO course grit belts for rough handle shaping. They're cheap, and will last a very long time if you use them only for this purpose, and will actually cut insanely better on handle material than your ceramics, which can serious screw up handle material, and the belts in this use.

I can't remember how long I've been using the same 36, 60, and 80 grit cheap AO belts for roughing and flattening handle material, just buy a few of each, then use the j-flexes you get for finish work.


You'll find out what works for your methods. I've tried most of the belts, and tricks out there. Cork belts, all the structured abrasives, have a whole stack of scotchbrite belts, don't use any of it very often for my style of grinding and finishing. I do occasionally use one of the really course gator (trizact) belts they came out with in the last couple of years, but don't find the rest of them to cut well enough or fast enough. Yeah they last a long time, and are probably great for certain satin belt finishes, but I rarely do belt finishes, and my goal is to get my grinds up to 800 with finished plunges as quick as possible, and only take a few minutes to hand rub to a fine satin hand finish.

Some of the things like trizacts, cork belts, leather belts, are expensive, so maybe try them out at a friend's first if you're on a budget, or when you've figured out what kind of grinds and finishes you like. Belts that work great for flat grinding non-hardened carbon steel, may not work worth a shit for hollow grinding hard stainless, etc.
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Alright this was my order. Thanks so much for all of the advice guys!

1 - 2x72-120 A160 "Gator" 337DC Trizact Aluminum Oxide (3M)
5 - 2x72-120 RB406JF Aluminum Oxide (Hermes)
5 -2x72-120 XK760X Ceramic (VSM)
5 -2x72-220 RB406JF Aluminum Oxide (Hermes)
1 -2x72-240 A65 "Gator" 337DC Trizact Aluminum Oxide (3M)
5 -2x72-36 XK885Y Ceramic (VSM)
1 -2x72-400 A45CF "Gator" 337DC Trizact Aluminum Oxide (3M)
5 -2x72-400 RB406JF Aluminum Oxide (Hermes)
1 -2x72-400 RB515X Silicon Carbide Cork (Hermes)
5 -2x72-60 XK885Y Ceramic (VSM)
1- 2x72-600 RB515X Silicon Carbide Cork (Hermes)


And I just realized I forgot to add some of the course AO to rough the handles. FML.
 
Call them tomorrow and it should be easy enough to add some to your order before it ships if you want.

Another belt I'd recommend is a very fine scotchbrite. They're a little expensive but last a really long time.
 
Yeah I emailed them and asked them to call me before processing my order.

Ill maybe add a scotchbrite to my next order. I have still never put steel to grinder before and I donmt want to overwhelm myself.
 
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