Itrader: Negative Feed Back on Uncompleted Transaction

thewoodpecker

thewoodpecker

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After a lengthy interaction with retired01 in which he sent payment then canceled his order I have refunded his money and no knife was shipped. He left negative feed back on my Itrader even though no transaction took place. I was told by a Mod I needed to start a thread here in order to rectify this issue and, per there suggestion I have left no feed back on user retired01 but have posted our interaction in GBU Forum so others can avoid wasting their time with this user.
 
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My goodness. Look at all the negative threads this guy has started. How ironic that he would say that you had poor communication. OP, link your GB&U thread here.
 
Better way, go to the iTrader feedback line. Find the triangle in the middle of the line and click it. Tell Spark what happened there.
 
This dude is a special kind of snowflake isn't he??
Good luck Woodpecker........I'm sure Kevin will square you away.
Joe
 
Sunday BTT request, to get the OP's retaliatory negative feedback removed.
 
thewoodpecker said:
After a lengthy interaction with retired01 in which he sent payment then canceled his order I have refunded his money and no knife was shipped. He left negative feed back on my Itrader even though no transaction took place. I was told by a Mod I needed to start a thread here in order to rectify this issue and, per there suggestion I have left no feed back on user retired01 but have posted our interaction in GBU Forum so others can avoid wasting their time with this user.
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Bumping this request BTT, so that hopefully Spark will see this. Thanks!
 
I was informed of yet another one where the same thing happened. I'm going to get Spark in the loop on this, if this keeps up he's going to get sick of having to baby sit and just turn it all off.
 
Yup, just saw that other one. One of two things needs to happen, either make the penalty for abusing the system harsher or remove it entirely.
 
RevDevil said:
I was informed of yet another one where the same thing happened. I'm going to get Spark in the loop on this, if this keeps up he's going to get sick of having to baby sit and just turn it all off.
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leatherman said:
Yup, just saw that other one. One of two things needs to happen, either make the penalty for abusing the system harsher or remove it entirely.
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I completely agree with both of you, regarding this problem/abuse of the current feedback system. :thumbup:

With that said, this is still a very unfair situation for Woodpecker. Retired01 is a known hothead on this forum. He's has had multiple situations where he's thrown other tantrums & retaliated in this very manner. If people that behave in this manner were told to leave, this type of deterrent, may possibly help clean up this type of childish behavior?

^ Probably not, because many people join here, & never take the time to read/learn the rules.
 
leatherman said:
Yup, just saw that other one. One of two things needs to happen, either make the penalty for abusing the system harsher or remove it entirely.
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Yup. In big read letters on the itrader submit page it should say that if you misuse the feedback system (retaliatory feedback) you will be banned. It will have the side effect of getting rid of a lot of idiots who don't read any rules anyway. We simply don't need people in the BFC market place who can't be bothered to read well written and clear rules.

The good thing about itrader is that you can immediately see how many successful transactions someone has had. That is very good information and I am guessing it would be hard to replicate that in another way. The GB&U would be a flood of good if all successful transactions had a good thread.

Other than immediately showing you the good, itrader is practically useless and I can see how it would be a PITA to maintain. On its own it is not effective. The GB&U is where to go to find out about problem people.
 
It's a 20 point infraction for 6 months. Probably should be extended for a year. I agree with Cray. I will talk with Spark today and see if he can add a line to the iTrader page.
 
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It's a 20 point infraction for 6 months. Probably should be extended for a year. I agree with Cray. I will talk with Spark today and see if he can add a line to the iTrader page.
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Help me understand this particular situation, Rev.
Seller posts sale.
Buyer commits PayPal transaction.
Then cancels.
Then gets money back.
Knife was never sent.
Am I correct so far?
Then, If no product was never actually sent then how is it even considered a trade (??) and thus how can Retired01 be allowed to post anything in itrader? Don't you have to link the sale thread to the itrader feedback post? Since no sale happened (indicative of no product being shipped) how did this ever fly?
 
Allowed to and able to are not the same regarding Itrader.

You are correct that no transaction took place so leaving itrader is not allowed. Which is why this thread is here to get that rectified.

However, he is still physically able to. He used the link from the initial sales thread to the itrader submission.

Hypothetically, anyone can leave itrader for anyone regardless of what transpired. Even if we had no correspondence, I could go to one of your sales threads, copy the link and leave you positive, neutral, or negative itrader feedback. Of course it wouldn't stand and there would be consequences but it can still be done. I recall seeing that happen once, don't imagine they lasted too long here.
 
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Greykilt said:
Help me understand this particular situation, Rev.
Seller posts sale.
Buyer commits PayPal transaction.
Then cancels.
Then gets money back.
Knife was never sent.
Am I correct so far?
Then, If no product was never actually sent then how is it even considered a trade (??) and thus how can Retired01 be allowed to post anything in itrader? Don't you have to link the sale thread to the itrader feedback post? Since no sale happened (indicative of no product being shipped) how did this ever fly?
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I can go and find anyone that has ever sold anything in the Exchange or even posted in the Exchange and slam them with a negative feedback. Common sense is a requirement here. If there is no deal, then there is no feedback to give. People don't get to manifest their indignation and outrage via a negative "FU" feedback mark because they were inconvenienced. Bottom line is that people are blatantly discarding and ignoring the forum rules, when this happens, the super start writing up the infraction. Conversely, if the person has a history of being problematic, not playing well with others, being aggressive, argumentative, and not being one of those that contributes to the forums in any way, it can serve as a reason for an outright banning. The thing is, we have no room for people that bring nothing to the table other than their righteous indignation and superiority complex. It makes no difference how long their tenure is or what membership level they have purchased.
 
It would be a complete shame to remove the itrader system. IMO, it sets this forum apart from the others. You know, the forums where you have no idea how many transactions (good or bad) a person has. Heck, it is one of the reasons I renewed my membership. At the very least, it would be a complete PITA to do an extensive search for a red flag, especially when the GBU would be flooded with tons of threads. I agree that there should be clear (and harsh) way to deter the non-rule-reading hotheads from posting frivolous ratings.

Sorry if I am off topic. BTT...
 
Another issue that "irks" me. It is an objective fact that iTrader is set up in such a way as to be badly biased in favor of reflecting only positive experiences. When it is a rules violation to leave negative feedback on a transaction that wasn't "completed," as defined in the rules, transactions that fall apart, for reasons that members might well be interested in knowing, are consigned to a GBU thread. If I consider a transaction on eBay (hasn't happened in years), I can readily check the feedback of any buyer or seller with whom I might conduct business. If they ship late, pack poorly, pay slowly, etc., those facts will be reflected in feedback scores and comments. What would also be reflected is instances where a transaction wasn't "completed" for reasons that might well be relevant to a decision on whether to deal with someone (never paid at all! - never shipped the knife at all!). Here, I would have to do a GBU search to have any hope of finding out these things. I admit to having no idea how technically difficult it would be to adopt a similar system here. If it wouldn't be unduly burdensome, I think it would greatly enhance the quality and ease of access to important information for buyers and sellers alike.
 
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