It's hard to justify buying from a local shop.

wow. what are that bills chances of being law? im gonna assume it will pass and stick?

how about shipping folders into the uk? still a no go? got a friend in the midlands who we share xmas gifts every year or so. want to send him a buck 110, but i hear its a bad idea being a lockback. true....? thanks.

I very much hope it doesn’t pass, and I have a few ideas about campaigning, but time is running out. For a few years I used to wear a green uniform and deal with things like knife wounds in the emergency services, in London. The absolute irony is that I never once came across injuries from ‘combat’ knives, or locking folders; it was kitchen knives and SAK’s. Not saying I saw it all, because I did not, but just that kitchen knives are the most common. This is gesturing politics at its worst.

If you ship a 110, great knife, to the UK, call it a ‘camping tool’ in the description: it isn’t a lie and it makes things easier. A sad world we live in, a sad world indeed.
 
I agree completely with what the OP said.

My wife bought me a Spyderco Endura from a local store that sells knives (she wanted to surprise me for my birthday)

Downsides:
-Knives are priced at ABOVE MSRP, OUCH!
-The Endura she got was obviously the display model, as it had been thrashed with dings in the blade, and the blade even hit the backspacer - so something was "damaged" in it. (wife is not a knife person, did not notice these small defects)

Upsides:
- She wanted to physically "see" the knife before purchase.
- She wanted to get it immediately in person so she could walk across the mall to get it engraved with my name at the engraving store.
- Clueless employee working the knife counter put the knife in the box for the Resilience, and she payed above MSRP for the Resilience rather than the Endura.

Of course since it was engraved, even with the flaws we could not return it. Luckily I sent it off to Spyderco and they sent it back good as new.

In short - buy online!
 
I wish I could support my local shop, and economy... but being in Canada even with taking the exchange rate into consideration the same knife can be 100 to 150+ cheaper in USA. Local shops won't budge on trying to price match. I don't ask for a total match as I know that's unreasonable, but shave off a couple bucks to make a deal. No? ... sorry then, money talks.

For example:

ZT0804 up here is $409 + tax = $458 CAD (358 USD) . Same exact blade is for sale in USA for $235 USD = 301 CAD ... I save $157 CAD ($123 USD) .

I ship to my bro in LA, and he brings it up, or I pick it up when I go see him. Done and done.

Now this is not taking Exchange deals on this forum. Prices can't be beat on some... but there are local deals to be had up here too. I just scored a ZT0630 for the equivalent of $140 USD. Not too bad considering the best deal in US I've found is currently $144. But that's a face-to-face deal not from a retailer. I might buy another one anyways as it is a fantastic blade!
 
I'd love to, but it's impossible to support local shops up here in Edmonton. Outdated and overpriced selections. So I end up ordering online, but man would I love to have a decent knife retailer nearby...
 
When it's like this plus a discount it's not

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No it's not.
If you want them to stay open, buy from them. The extra funds go to a local place and support your local community.

If you want the model enough, then the extra funds to buy in person are worth it.

The only times I will buy online vs in person is if I find a $250 knife for <$150, the exchange here, or it is not available in person.
 
I buy most of my knives from the maker (essentially a small business) or on the exchange. I have rivers edge cutlery about 35 minutes away or battle horse knives about 80 minutes away.

I like supporting BHK because they are a family owned Ohio business. Plus it's fun to go there and talk about knives. Bunch of really cool folks there.
 
I’m lucky in that GP Knives is only 45 minutes away. I’ve got the best of both worlds; online selection and I can look at several knives of the same model before choosing the one I want.

And, GP Knives are great to deal with. Always a pleasant shopping experience.
 
The days of local shops that carry high quality goods are probably coming to an end. Its too hard to have a brick and mortar store and compete with an entity like amazon or similar major retailer. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I think the future is going to be only major distributors like Amazon, and manufacturers of high end, specialty goods selling direct to customers.

The unfortunate truth is that most ultra high quality goods do not demand enough of a market to support independent retailers. Go to a shoe store and try to find a pair of made in America goodyear welted boots....hint hint, you won't be able to find any. The quality of the good is too high for the demand to be met. Most guys that are ready to drop 300+on a pair of boots have already done the research and know exactly what they want. And if you hop online, you can get basically anything you want direct from excellent manufacturers like Truman, Whites, Nicks, and Oak street. And some historically excellent companies like Allen Edmonds or Red Wing have stores in malls, but their products are being watered down. Red wing makes most of their boots except the heritage line outside of the USA now days and Allen Edmonds is moving more and more of their manufacturing to the Dominican Republic.

While I think its very important to support local retailers, I'm worried there's no place for them in the future. The business models and corporate structures of major distribution companies allow them to take on huge amounts of debt and out compete smaller distributors by selling goods at a loss or with a much lower profit margin while still staying in business. Why buy from someone else when you can get the lowest price + fastest delivery from amazon? To the average consumer, the only reason not buy from Amazon is because Amazon doesn't have what you want. And that's where manufacturers selling direct come in. Thanks to the internet, we probably have a wider variety of ultra high end, niche goods than ever, but we always hit a bottle neck with production capacity. Want to buy a solid knife? Hop on amazon and pick up a spyderco, or benchmade, get the lowest price and have it delivered the next day.
But want the very best knife out there, with a special steel, HT, or handle material? You will never find what you are looking for on amazon. You will only find it from specialty, niche manufacturers that you probably had to join a forum to even know about. If you want a Carothers, or a Busse, you are going to with limited exceptions, have to buy straight from them. And thats where I think the future is.

I'd love to sell 5,000 machetes a year and have my products available on amazon, I'd be rich and could spend my days chilling out on the ski slope instead of covered in steel dust in the shop. But the reality is that (1) most people will not pay $200+ for a machete when they can buy an offshore product for $25 and (2) I probably can't make that many without drastically reducing my QC and manufacturing methods.

So there's the future of goods. Lower to high end , readily available goods controlled by Amazon or similar, and high end, niche goods available in limited quantities direct from manufacturers. The only outlier is the consumer. Maybe people don't want to buy from amazon. Maybe people want to go to the brick and mortar shop and shoot the sh** with the guys and pick up a sprint run Spyderco and a killer one off Fiddleback bushfinger that only that shop has. I really hope thats the future, but I'm not sure how long all of the small guys can keep competing against the giants.
 
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My local knife store wont charge you tax if you pay with cash. :thumbsup:

For me, it would be tough to regularly do business with a business that is that dishonest. If they are cheating the county (or whoever gets sales tax where you live), they'll cheat you too
 
Not charging for sales tax does not necessarily mean that the retailer does not pay the sales tax. Here, if someone says they aren't charging sales tax, it is just another marketing gimmick to discount. Furniture is often sold that way.
 
That is a tough call. Offering not to collect tax for a cash deal sort of hints at the fact that an unrecorded transaction doesn't have to be taxed or reported.

On the other hand most retailers have to pay a credit card transaction fee so maybe the seller is just passing that savings on by offering not to collect tax from the buyer. It is easier than having a cash price and a card price. A lot of gas stations have two prices, one for cash sales and one for card sales to make up that difference. When I go to the landfill ( I live in the woods and have no trash service so I have to bring it in myself) they charge and extra 3.5 percent if I use my card.
 
I don't encourage credit or debit card transactions in my business and charge extra % to cover that cost. I don't like to do it, but I don't like raising prices either to cover CC transactions.

Sales tax rates are high (to me) here in TN with the tax running from 9.125% to 9.75%. The counties depend a lot on that revenue as does the state since there is no income tax on earned income. So, offering to not charge sales tax is like getting a pretty good discount, but the merchant would still have to pay it if the purchase applied.

I do not begrudge the state government from getting their sales tax. As I mentioned earlier, the big river site charges TN sales tax. That was a bit controversial as they were woo'd to build a number of their distribution centers (two locally). But ultimately, the state lives on sales tax revenue (vs income tax) and I don't really have a problem with that.
 
Online sales aren't so new. I bought my hunting knife (crooked in carbon) from Herter's back in 66. We called it mail order back then, but it was the same thing.
 
I see a lot of talk about the internet market bringing about the end to B&M and to a large extent this is very true but I feel the niche and high end items are what B&M are going to be able to support. There is a hesitance in spending high dollar figures on an item with out experiencing it and that is what a B&M offer. I would point to an example is Hi-Fi audio which is almost a dead industry showing some signs of return. There is a Hi-Fi B&M store local to my area that has been around for a long time and I really don't feel it is showing signs of failing. This is because their lowest end items are what you find in Best Buy's Magnolia high end selection. I see B&M having life where the offering will be more carefully selected and designed to be of interest for a more specific crowd. This doesn't mean all markets will find homes in all places so for a market like knives many of us will be left with online only.
 
For a folder, checking alignment, feel and play in advance really has no price.

For my first Spyderco Civilian, in the days of mail order, with none available in my local store (around 1997), I had to send a letter to "Golden Edge" explaining my test of up and down play and the secondary criteria of the thickest point among the "tight" ones (the points could really be ground too thin sometimes)... They did it right, and I was happy for 15 years until I lost it...

To replace that lost Spydero Civilian, 15 years later, I was reduced to ordering two with the plan to sell the looser one (I would not return it unless it was really bad): I considered myself incredibly lucky I got one that was perfectly tight. I could have re-iterated the criterias in an Email, but I did not think of it somehow. Certainly a difficult thing if with Amazon... Again I had no store alternative, so I felt I had to buy two, and the loose one was pretty bad...

You also can't determine feel from photos. Many people don't factor in shipping and duties. The OP's suggestion of 2% or bust is just silly. I would gladly go 20-25% for all these advantages, and 10% of that would be off from shipping and duties anyway.

Plus there is the joy of the moment, which is so sadly missing from most things these days.

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For a folder, checking alignment, feel and play in advance really has no price.
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You also can't determine feel from photos. Many people don't factor in shipping and duties. The OP's suggestion of 2% or bust is just silly. I would gladly go 20-25% for all these advantages, and 10% of that would be off from shipping and duties anyway.

Plus there is the joy of the moment, which is so sadly missing from most things these days.
Don't underestimate the "joy of the moment" aspect. It is definitely not the same as getting something in your mail box. I don't have a price range that I'm comfortable with, but I definitely prefer to buy one on one at a store. Agree that the 2% thing is silly too.

A while back I was at a particular knife store (billed the largest in the US) and spent a couple hours cruising around looking at stuff. I had time for a change to really look and I had absolutely nothing in mind that I needed or wanted there. I looked at the GEC slip joints noting they had a pretty good selection for sale..... then I noticed pricing. Didn't handle any of them; just looked through the display case glass. I said "no thanks" as in this particular case, I have gotten very comfortable with the brand and the expected quality via an online purchase. I left that day with a new Steel Will Mini Cutjack folder that was priced very competitively, actually lower than many online retailers but I had no pre-conceived notion of cost as I never even heard of the brand before. I suspect I would have never made this purchase online. Been carrying it since. Like it. I don't believe in handling some one else's merchandise and then buying else where generally.
 
I don't encourage credit or debit card transactions in my business and charge extra % to cover that cost. I don't like to do it, but I don't like raising prices either to cover CC transactions.

Sales tax rates are high (to me) here in TN with the tax running from 9.125% to 9.75%. The counties depend a lot on that revenue as does the state since there is no income tax on earned income. So, offering to not charge sales tax is like getting a pretty good discount, but the merchant would still have to pay it if the purchase applied.

I do not begrudge the state government from getting their sales tax. As I mentioned earlier, the big river site charges TN sales tax. That was a bit controversial as they were woo'd to build a number of their distribution centers (two locally). But ultimately, the state lives on sales tax revenue (vs income tax) and I don't really have a problem with that.

If a business charged me extra to use my credit card, I would go elsewhere. It's proven that businesses that accept credit cards have an increase in business. That's what evens out the fees. I understand they get hit with too many fees but that's like guys on here charging extra to cover pp fees. That fee covers the business' benefit to accept more forms of payment and increase sales. It's not cool to pass that fee on to the consumer.

If that's the case, install an atm machine at the business and just don't accept credit
 
22-rimfire 22-rimfire also in TN "A person must also register to report and pay use tax on purchases of tangible personal property, computer software and specified digital products that they cause to be imported for use in Tennessee. The use tax applies to the purchase price of the imported item, which includes the entire amount the customer must pay for the item." from http://tn.gov/revenue/topic/sales-and-use-tax

L LukeTheSpook many places will just adjust the cost to include additional fees that they are hit with which is what 22-rimfire 22-rimfire is saying he doesn't want to do. I know I have read many people on the forums selling will add to their asking price to help cover that PP fees. Little to none of the cost for CC or other conveniences are really eaten by the merchant but passed on to the consumer often without making them directly aware.
 
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