It's OK to own 420hc.

For an "average guy" maybe but some of us want something much better.
 
Hardheart said just what I was thinking. $159+ is way over priced for a bead blasted 420hc knife. That looks like Buck is making money off the Strider look and name without the corresponding materials. I'm disappointed. :rolleyes:
 
Note, this is the first place to have them. Until more stores have them, the price will be high, probably near the MSRP. After all, how long did it take for the other Buck/Striders to come down in price?

And all the people involved in this knife stated that this knife was made to do things that you dont need/want something like S30V for, probably thinking of all the "normal" knife users who only want ease of sharpening. They have stated that they will be doing more runs with different materials, and also some with a full plain edge.

Of course, I would want ATS-34 more than 420 myself...
 
Isn't a correct heat treat the single most important element in a blade?
Doesn't that insure more than adequate performance for this steel - and this knife?
 
averageguy said:
Isn't a correct heat treat the single most important element in a blade?
Doesn't that insure more than adequate performance for this steel - and this knife?
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I have total faith that Paul Boss got everything out of the 420 that it has to offer. He would get the best out of whatever steel the knife was made from. That being said I still think that is to much money for a factory produced knife made in 420. To me I would like to get better the adequate performance for $160. That may not be much money for a knife to many but it is to alot to many people. I know that they are going to do other runs on the knife but then comes the question of how much are they going to ask for one made in a better steel. $230? More? If 420Hc is $160 then I would hate to think of the price of one made in S30V. I could understand the price (and even a much higher price) if it was custom or even made by a small shop outfit. Just my 2 cents.
 
I'm sure the blade has adequate or even good performance. The point is that 420hc is cheap to buy and process, therefore, I believe the price is this knife reflects marketing more than price. A 420hs knife should have an MSRP of half of what that knife is being sold.
 
It's a fixed blade, for crying out loud! How much work went into that? Bolt handle slabs on a cheap piece of steel and pull the price out of a hat ...

They are definitely trading on the Strider name, and on their previous good performance with Buck Strider folders.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
It's a fixed blade, for crying out loud! How much work went into that? Bolt handle slabs on a cheap piece of steel and pull the price out of a hat ...

They are definitely trading on the Strider name, and on their previous good performance with Buck Strider folders.
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Well said. If you took the same knife and put my name on it, so you had a Buck/Nelson, how many do you think they would sell at that price?
 
What I find interesting is that a Buck Special, which is roughly the same size, made out of the same steel, also treated by Paul Bos and with a satin blade finish (which I'm not saying is more or less preferable, but it is more time consuming) can easily be picked up for $40-50 most places. I would be highly interested to hear what makes those G-10 scales worth $110.00.

The direction these are going, I'm more and more sorry I sold my B/S Solution in BG-42. :(
 
mschwoeb said:
Note, this is the first place to have them. Until more stores have them, the price will be high, probably near the MSRP. After all, how long did it take for the other Buck/Striders to come down in price?
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As a comparason, the Special which can be found for $40-50 has a MSRP of $107. The Solution has a MSRP of $230!
 
Well, the price for that steel would stop me too. Unless you only buy Buck and/or Strider collaborations, better steels in similar usages abound. However, it' not the first time Buck has done this sort of thing. I seem to remember the Intrepid--a Buck/Carson collaboration. Given that it was from a few years back, and with inflation, sounds like a similar issue/cost. I believe that was 420HC, as well. Did that one sell well?

http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/a_through_d/buck_knives/buck_intrepid_i.html
 
420 HC is a great steel. Easy to sharpen and hold a decent edge.

The above holds true under two circumstances though! It must have proper heat treat, and it should be cheap... not $150..
-Kevin
 
I agree with Anthony C. Just because my survival knife says "Commando" doesn't make me one. 420HC belongs on a less expensive knife. I don't care for the .46% carbon in that steel either. Buck is trying to "slip one" past the consumer. If the cost was only $40-60, it'd be worth it.
 
Apparently there may be some special runs of these in better steels a little later, but I wonder how much they'll cost...
 
I owned an Intrepid for about 2 days before I sent it back. It had a single bevel grind up to the angle of the tanto point, then it became 2 sided. This looked sloppy and would have been a pain to sharpen. Not only that, but for any slashing the angle is the sweet spot on a tanto and this grind made it an awkward transition point. Looked cool, but that was about it. Maybe everyone should post on the Buck forum about this and see if we can't get an answer to justify the high prices. Just a thought.
 
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