I've been called a racist Indian hater because of my weapon website (by a white guy!)

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(For the record, I'm Thai/Filipino, with a touch of Chinese, Spanish, and Egyptian Arab.)

Here are the lies this guy told about me:

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype143.htm

Here's me calling his bluff on it:

http://weaponspage.homestead.com/refutingrace2.html

How dare some yuppie 40-something call me a racist - me, who used to get beat up every day because I was the only colored kid in school, who was rejected from the gifted & talented program even though I was the best student in the grade, who just a few months ago was pulled over by an an immigration officer because I "looked like an illegal Mexican," etc. etc.?

If you notice I had a strong response to his lies, yes, it was intentional.
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Yvsa? Anyone? Have I ever put you down for being Indians?

[This message has been edited by ruel (edited 06-02-2001).]
 
Ruel, I spent more than 5 years working the Walker River Paiute Reservation in central Nevada that the 1890's Ghost Dance originated on.

I have in a safe place, both the translated and Paiute verses to the Dance. Which incidentally is a Round Dance* participated in by most tribal members ( and invited non-ndns ) rather than any spiritual quest type rumored about the Sundance.

I have much more info. Write me if you want

*Meant to say that some Round Dances are open by invitation. On the list of Desert Storm participants in the Tribal Hall is a kid named Kelly. Not a drop of ndn blood, but his dad worked for the tribe and the kid grew up as one of them.
by invitation to non-ndns.

[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 06-03-2001).]
 
Sorry, Ru, I know you're steamed, but I just had to laugh at this one.

It's a pet peeve of mine how the bluster of ad hominem "you're a racist" name calling is used to scare people into not thinking about these sorts of things. Determining whether it's "racist" comes before whether it's true. Whether or not it's racist is determined by popular vote and who shouts the loudest. And the rational participants are left spectating from the nosebleeds while the mob tears each other apart. Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness. Check your brain at the door.

Isn't it funny how the anonymity of the internet can bring this stuff out? I've seen it before, that people get called "racist" and then mention, "did you happen to know I'm black/Chinese/Filipino/whatever?"

If the (presumed) color of your skin determines whether what you think is racist, what do you call that?

I'll say it again . . . when a culture is more preoccupied with who said it rather than what was said, it's in trouble.

Here's an aphorism that's saved me much trouble: "Never argue with an idiot. After a few minutes, people can't tell the difference."
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Oops. Misspelled "Filipino." I must be a racist.
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[This message has been edited by DocPat2511 (edited 06-02-2001).]
 
Ruel, in the time that you've been on the forum I have known you to be a gentleman and nothing at all as described in the slanderous and libellous thread you have forwarded.

I agree with Uncle Bill, let the matter drop. But, if the other party persists, I'd take him to court for slander and libel.

Harry
 
Ruel:

Noticed an "Al Carroll" mentioned in the midst of this tripe. Just for the record, he is not the AC Studios nor is he any relation that I know of. Our background is such that if we pick on anyone, it amounts to self-abuse
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Web anonymity is much like the disguises that come off when some take to the freeway - their hidden character comes to the front, and another facet of the definition of a**hole is born.

Ignore them, and drive on. A few miles down the road you may see them pulled to the side, conversing with a trooper, or being peeled off a bridge abuttment. To each his own,in his own time.
 
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Ruel yo've always treated me with respect.

And what everyone is telling you is right on!!!!
Let it go......

You wouldn't believe some of the stories I can tell you about my experiences with racism, some of it is done in all innocence because most non-ndns aren't aware of certain facts.

For instance.....
Two of my grandkids and me were at the Gilcrease Museum here in Tulsa
and we were downstairs where an excellent display of Indin Artifacts
of all kinds are on display.
I was telling my grandkids what some of the items were used for and the meaning of others like the Plains Indins Head-dresses.
Each and _Every_ Eagle Feather in those head-dresses were earned by the man who wore it.
They were given in acknowledgement of a deed that brought good and well being to the people and were not given lightly or for mundane acts.

Anyway as I was telling the kids about this there were two ladies coming down the stairs.
One of them spoke up and said, "Oh!! Are you an Indian?"
The other replied, "Of course he's an Indian!!!! You can _tell_ by looking at him."
Well in this part of the country almost everyone has some degree of ndn blood and I would like to know how anyone can tell if someone's an indian by looking at them.
Hell I know several blonde haired and blue eyed indians who have more ndn blood than I do.

The next thing is a pet peeve of mine since I really have a problem with condescending people.

The first lady spoke up and said, "You know, what we done to the black people was really, really bad, but what we done to the indians was much worse."
I asked her if she really believed that and she replied, "Oh Yes!!!!
The things we did to the indians were much worse."
Then I told her, "Well if you really believe that why don't you become part of the solution instead part of the problem and help make it
stop."
That really puzzled her and she said, "What do you mean?"

So I told her.
I told her about Johnny Beartrack who was picked up by some non-ndns and was taken under a bridge and slaughtered by these so called men who gave him a ride and who did it just because he was ndn.
Johnny was a true warrior and he knew what was going to happen. You see Johnny was badly beaten before they drove him to the bridge in an out of the way place to kill
him.
Johnny had the presence of mind to write the cars license number down in his own blood in the palm of his hand.
That number helped to catch the people who done the deed and their punishment damned sure didn't meet the crime.
That's been the worst example here in recent years.

Personaly I have been followed through out an auto parts store in Nebraska.
A kind of funny story since I wound up telling the young man who was waiting on me that even though I might be a dumb ndn I damned sure wasn't a stupid one.
I was looking for a bushing that fit the windshield wipers of a '67 Dodge Aspen, and when I found it after being told repeatedly that they didn't have said part, that it was a Chrysler part and not Dodge.
I asked the young man just who in the hell did he think made Dodge cars.
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Then Barb and me was once at a barbeque place that was frequented by cowboys and we both were getting concerned that I was going to have to play cowboys and ndns before we got out of there.

And there are many, many more examples. Some where I was more concerned than others about getting away in one piece.
And now there are places I do avoid just because it isn't wise for me to be there at my age and condition.

And although words can cut and cause hurt they are just words and can be sloughed off and let go.
Don't worry about the a**holes until it really gets serious and where you can be physically hurt.

I like what Doc said about arguing with an Idiot.
I find that very true.
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And sometimes it's really funny to be a dumb ndn although not a stupid one.
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Yvsa.

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
Whoa,

Someone with my name is out there creating conflict. For the record... I quit going by Al Carroll in the 9th grade... or was it 1992...

I agree with others here, it just takes too much energy to argue with an idiot. The negative energy created by such a p***ing contest just makes for a bad week. Do yourself a favor and just ignore the jerk. He'll go find someone else to bother and life will move on.

Regards,

Alan
 
Ruel--How dare YOU use this forum to bring up petty gripes about someone who doesn't agree with you?
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Ida-Al
 
Ruel,


I second the advice given here. However, I must confess that I have a really hard time practicing it in real life! I tend to let people's opinion of me really get under my skin and ruin my whole day/week. Take it from me, stress is a very bad thing. If you can do it, let it go. You know you're not a racist, so screw the fool that is calling you one. I also think that a well written letter from a lawyer (if he coninues this) might make the above mentioned A****LE think twice. Sorry this happened to you! I know how you feel! To this day there is an EX friend of mine that thinks I tried to make a move on his girlfriend(now his wife) when he was out of town, when in fact it was SHE who tried to move on ME, and when I told her no, she told him it was my idea and she was the innocent chaste virgin who was set upon by a testosterone laden backstabber. Oh well, what can you do...

Rob
 
Just remember the words of Robert Anton Wilson..."We all know the average man is dumb right? so mathematically that means half the bastards are even dumber than that!"
I repeat this quote to myself every day when confronted by pillocks.

Jeff.
 
One variation of what DocPat said that I've always liked is:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll pull you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."
 
Ruel,

You and I have talked both on here and via email about khukuris and Tulwars before, I have'nt felt anything bad in the way you and I talked about stuff. I think whoever is calling you a rascist is obviously extremely ignorant about you and is also extremely close-minded as well. The best you can do for someone as sorry as that is to pity them and let it go. His words dont affect who you are as a person either on this forum or anywhere else. For us on here, you'll always be a brother.

Arvind
 
Thanks for the reassurance, friends. I guess I let it get to me because:

a) This guy had already told me that he probably wasn't going to do this, but that if he did he'd let me know first -- then he went and did it behind my back;

b) People might see his site before mine, and think that because he claims endorsement from a "council of elders" that he must be right;

c) His friend Al Carroll -- not 'our' Al Carroll! -- said that weapon collectors were "Nazis," which would make everybody here a Nazi.

It's that last point that pushed me over the line. I'm used to people talking trash to me, but when they talk about friends and family who aren't there to defend themselves, I often 'jump the gun' and do it for them! A weakness of mine...
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Thanks again. (Rusty, Arvind: I'll send you an email.)
 
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