I've been cleaning out my liquor cabinet....

Be careful with absinthe. I had a patient a few months ago that was drinking absinthe with his neighbor - real absinthe - the stuff that can't be sold in this country legally. After a few hours of drinking it his neighbor pulled out a gun and then bit the guy's nose off. It wasn't pretty.

People under the influence of alcohol have been known to do stupid and bizarre things, and absinthe has lots and lots of alcohol (we're talking 140 proof). But the alleged hallucinogenic or insanity-inducing effects of the thujone are a myth.
 
People under the influence of alcohol have been known to do stupid and bizarre things, and absinthe has lots and lots of alcohol (we're talking 140 proof). But the alleged hallucinogenic or insanity-inducing effects of the thujone are a myth.

I think I'll do alright with it, I have been drinking that (clear stuff) for years. Half my familys from KY and I can handle it all pretty well. The absinthe I did get was not all that strong to me but as I admitted was not the good stuff, I will order from the site you posted and see how she goes. Thanks for the linke John:thumbup:
 
Like John, I'm Bourbon 90% of the time, mostly Stagg or Tribute. WT101 if I'm adding ice or something. Actually rebarreled some WT101 and Makers in small barrels for a year. They came out really good!

But on those:

Gin - I really like T-10 over Saphire (by quite a bit) but Anchor's Junipero is really tasty if you're in the mood for something "different"

Vodka - I have no real favorites here. My wife will drink Svedka....

Rum - All the Pyrats are delicious. Rum is more like candy than alchohol to me.

Ken
 
As far as bourbon goes there is only 1: Pappy Van Winkle 20 year. End of story. There is a rye wiskey that is very good too called Templeton Rye.

Pappy's good but at less than 1/2 the price I'll take Stagg every time. It's amazing if you haven't tried it.

There are MANY good rye's out there. Saz is great (both ages) but honestly, my favorite rye is basic Wild Turkey Rye. It's the prefect expression..... to me. (Think I'll have one tonight.... thanks for the thought!)

Ken
 
People under the influence of alcohol have been known to do stupid and bizarre things, and absinthe has lots and lots of alcohol (we're talking 140 proof). But the alleged hallucinogenic or insanity-inducing effects of the thujone are a myth.

No doubt the alcohol was mostly responsible, I just thought it was funny that one guy bit another guy's nose off while drinking absinthe. I did a literature review about absinthe and wormwood extract (thujone) because I had to present the patient at grand rounds. There is controversy right now as to whether thojone is a hallucinogenic agent or whether it causes "absinthism". I think the current evidence is inconclusive as to whether thujone can cause hallucinations. It just hasn't been studied enough. Historical accounts from people who have used absinthe heavily (an I mean VERY heavily) may have been overblown, but include people like van Gogh, Picaso, Manet, and Hemingway. The real reason absinthe was banned is probably because it was vilified by the temperance movement and winemakers.
 
No doubt the alcohol was mostly responsible, I just thought it was funny that one guy bit another guy's nose off while drinking absinthe. I did a literature review about absinthe and wormwood extract (thujone) because I had to present the patient at grand rounds. There is controversy right now as to whether thojone is a hallucinogenic agent or whether it causes "absinthism". I think the current evidence is inconclusive as to whether thujone can cause hallucinations. It just hasn't been studied enough. Historical accounts from people who have used absinthe heavily (an I mean VERY heavily) may have been overblown, but include people like van Gogh, Picaso, Manet, and Hemingway. The real reason absinthe was banned is probably because it was vilified by the temperance movement and winemakers.


I was just going by going by Padosch SA, Lachenmeier DW, Kröner LU, Absinthism: a Fictitious 19th Century Syndrome with Present Impact, Subst Abuse Treat Prev Policy. 2006; 1: 14, (brought to you by nih.gov), which concludes, in the relevant part:

From this critical review of the literature, it is concluded that chronic abuse of absinthe did not cause any distinct syndrome. The so-called absinthism cannot exactly be distinguished from chronic alcoholism. The literature gives proof that the thujone concentrations of pre-ban absinthes were not able to cause such toxic effects (e.g. seizures) that were found in animal experiments with pure wormwood extracts. However, much of the literature is focused on thujone as the potentially toxic component of absinthe. The possibility remains that other constitutents found within wormwood or other ingredients of absinthe may cause potential health problems. The paucity of good scientific studies about absinthe, especially in the realm of chronic human consumption and long term effects of thujone-containing beverages must again be pointed out.

Based on the current available evidence, commercially manufactured absinthe appears to not cause detrimental health effects other than those encountered in common alcoholism. The exceptionally high alcoholic strength of absinthe (>50%vol) alone may lead to major health and social problems, but is not unique to this spirit. However, misleading advertisements of aphrodisiac or psychotropic effects of absinthe try to re-establish absinthe's former reputation. A health risk to consumers is also the uncontrolled trade of potentially unsafe herbal products such as absinthe essences that are readily available over the internet.
 
Yeah I read that paper too and about 30 others. :grumpy: It was a pain in the ass let me tell you. I agree mostly with their conclusions especially this one:
The possibility remains that other constitutents found within wormwood or other ingredients of absinthe may cause potential health problems. The paucity of good scientific studies about absinthe, especially in the realm of chronic human consumption and long term effects of thujone-containing beverages must again be pointed out.

Not enough studies to say exactly what is causing hallucinations or even if they are happening. The historical record is strong regarding the "green fairy" causing hallucinations but who knows. Its a neat idea.
 
Is there any evidence, apart from the historical record, that you're aware of that absinthe, or any component thereof (other than the alcohol), actually causes or is capable of causing hallucinations? Something that would be considered scientifically reliable by today's terms?

The historical record is also pretty strong regarding "reefer madness" causing black and Mexican men to go crazy, kill people, and rape white women, which leads me to question the accuracy of the historical record on stuff like this.
 
Like I said, and like the authors of the study you quoted said, it hasn't been looked into enough. There were a bunch of articles on the pharmacology of wormwood extract. Some of them found that wormwood extract stimulated THC receptors but didn't necessarily cause any THC like effects. Other studies found effects on the GABA receptors and that is a whole 'nother can of worms. It isn't even really known if the wormwood extract is the "active" ingredient in absinthe or even if there is an "active" ingredient. Studying the effect of anything that is labeled a hallucinogen or is even remotely counterculture is almost impossible nowadays. Getting the IRB for something like that would be next to impossible. Remember, at one time, scientist concluded that cocaine wasn't addictive. Scientific opinion changes when more studies are released. It takes lots and lots and lots of studies that were well done by reputable people for something like the absinthe question to be decided. I don't see absinthe being the subject of much study, given that it is an illegal entity in the US.

Anyway who gives a damn? Can we talk about knives? Hehehe
 
Here's my top three/four "white likkers" in order
1. Cadenhead's Old Raj Gin.
2. Hendrick's Gin.
3(tie). Tanqueray Rangpur Gin/Bombay Sapphire.
 
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