I've Fallen and I don't know how to get up!!

Nasty said:
Wish I could take a week off and visit...we could knock out two of them in a week with you steering and me standing.

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Yup.:D :cool:
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Yvsa,
What went wrong from your and Rusty's dream of the Rose being a big assed killer Bowie?


munk
 
munk said:
Yvsa,
What went wrong from your and Rusty's dream of the Rose being a big assed killer Bowie?


munk
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Nothing at all Munk. I decided that a Bowie with a 15" blade would be more than most of us wanted or could/would afford.
And with the design of the guard it would have been really difficult to make for a full size tanged knife that large.
A knife with that large of blade needs a full tang or at least a weighted handle to get the balance where it needs to be for the knife to be quick and maneuverable.
It's damned difficult to make a really Big Assed Bowie that balances properly.:grumpy:
Guys like Bagwell and some of the others have it down to an art.;) :D
 
Since my Rose was bequeathed to me by the living, I've come to admire and trust it quite a bit. No knife fighter I, but it's the Rose by the bed at night- exactly where my hand ends reaching from sleep.

I think the Bowie is a dream to all of us, but some men try and capture it. They'll be making Bowie knives a thousand years from now. A simple tool like a knife can have so many faces. That startled me when I first found HI.



munk
 
I've got Case Bowie from the 70s that was my Grandpa's. Very pretty but I've never had the heart to give it a workout. Seems to me it was made more to look at. Lately I picked up a Camillus USMC (Mk II ?) and found a really handsome knife once I got all that black crud off the blade and handle. I knew there was some good looking leather under there ;) Now it looks more like an old Marbles or Q225 than a "fighting knife". Can't help but admire the (Bowie-inspired?) lines. It's a modern classic but is it a Bowie? :confused: They call the BK9 a Bowie but when I hear the word Bowie that's not what I think of, no matter how capable it is. Any help from the Bowie experts?

Frank
 
SilverFoxKnows said:
I've got Case Bowie from the 70s that was my Grandpa's. Very pretty but I've never had the heart to give it a workout. Seems to me it was made more to look at.
Lately I picked up a Camillus USMC (Mk II ?) and found a really handsome knife once I got all that black crud off the blade and handle.
It's a modern classic but is it a Bowie? :confused:
They call the BK9 a Bowie but when I hear the word Bowie that's not what I think of, no matter how capable it is. Any help from the Bowie experts?

Frank
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Well Frank methinks there are as many Bowies as there are knives with completely different shapes that are called Bowies, as sad as that may be.:(

In my mind there are really only about three basic shapes that I consider to be worthy of being called a Bowie.
But these three basic shapes have several sub-shapes, for want of a better word, so that increases the amount of knives that I would consider a Bowie Knife.

Shape one is the simple old straight spined butcher knife style that can run from literally a straight spined butcher knife to a straight spined ornate beauty with up to a helluva lot of ornamentation.

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Shape two is the simple straight spined knife with a rounded clip at the end.
For me the clip has to be part of a circle as if someone had put the straight spine on the edge of a grinding wheel and ground in the radius.
These can also run the gamut from a simple handled blade to an embellished lovely piece of art.

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Shape three is a little more complicated. It is the one that looks like the blade has been split half or about half in two a few inches from the point towards the spine and then the top vertical edge is only slightly rounded, if at all.
The thumbnail is a piss poor pic but it gives the blade shape.
These can also run from the simple to the highly embellished art knife.

I also think that a Bowie should have at least an 8" blade to be even called a Bowie and 10" would probably be better.
Anything shorter than 8" should be called a Bowie shaped knife IMO.

I suppose to be fair that there should also be a fourth shape.
That would be the Spearpoint Bowie but to me they aren't a Bowie even with a sharpened false edge. A Spearpoint in my mind is a dagger plain and simple and should be called a dagger.

And that's what a Bowie is too me.:rolleyes: ;) :D
 
I'd vote #2...

To me, the radius clip is critical, as is the length...10" *minimum*

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I had worked on a 15" blade integral trailing point (butcher knife style) Bowie with a sharp top edge with Dale Baxter, but monetary concerns have kept me from ordering it. I might have to skip it being integral to keep the cost down. :)
 
There is something special about the bowie knife. There is something magical about a bowie knife with blood, sweat, and tears in the design. I love my AK bowie. Love it to pieces. Utillity, function, and tougher 'n all get out. It is realiable and dependable. A brute and a work horse. That is special. Now, the Cherokee rose... THAT is special. Every bit of the knife "works" just like the AKB design, but Yvsa's vision made this blade work AND look good while doing it. The cherokke rose was what I bought from Yangdu before her trip as my own little reminder of Uncle Bill. I didn't need it, but wanted it; and like so many others i knew Yangdu could use the travel funds.
I've always loved bowies, but when this one arrived... I don't know how to put it into words. I looked at it for a full 5 minutes before pulling it from it's crimson sheath. "By God..." came to mind as I woke it from it's slumber. My assistant manager, a friend and some one that has seen many a khuk come in the mail, even said "That is scariest looking blade I have ever seen...but it's beautiful!"
Fast and deadly this baby will go through a pressure treated 2x6 in no time. It will halve a beefy coconut AND split 3/4 of the way through the 4x4 on which it was sitting. Steely Resolve is what I call this blade. It's a doer and a thinker, and it backs down from nothing.
Me likey bowies :)

Jake
 
When you can find them, the Camillus OVB Fisk Bowies with the 11" blade are darn nice. Very thin compared to what we're used to, but they cut like nobody's business. The Laredo is good and thick. I kinda regret selling mine. I might have to pick up a used one :)

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45-70 said:
Yvsa,

May I ask what it is you don't like about the Sheffield form?
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Sure, but I didn't say I didn't like the Sheffield's.;)
Actually the Sheffield's fall into one of the three categories.

Yvsa said:
In my mind there are really only about three basic shapes that I consider to be worthy of being called a Bowie.
But these three basic shapes have several sub-shapes, for want of a better word, so that increases the amount of knives that I would consider a Bowie Knife.
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I was setting here trying to decide which style would be my favorite and I cannot decide or choose one over another.:rolleyes:
Each style of Bowie has it's own beauty but there are only a few from each category that really does it for me.
There was one with the clip blade on eBay a few days ago that I liked, it went for $760.00! way more than what I can afford for a knife, well that's not completely true, let me say that it's way more than I would afford for a knife I couldn't/wouldn't use.
I'm putting up a pic of it.

I was quite willing to pay Ed Fowler $1,200.00 for a brand new Pronghorn, I just couldn't justify the 7 year wait. Hell in 7 years from the time I inquired I would've been 71 and hell, I may not live that long with my health the way it is.;)
I should've ordered one when I was still young and well enough to hunt and use it.
Use a $1,200.00 knife? :rolleyes: Damned straight but I would be feeling to make sure it was on my side all the time.:D And you want to borrow what? :rolleyes: F**k You!!!! :D :grumpy: :rolleyes:
Well I "might", "just might" let someone I really trusted use it, but not outta my sight.:p

But back to the Bowies, here lately I've really been favoring the last style I put up on the thumbnail. If I were to design the Rose today it would more than likely have that style of blade.
But it would probably cost more than the Rose due to the difficulty in forging it, not just the point but other areas of the knife.

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Should clarify the thumbnail I put on the first post not this one. ;-)
 
Yvsa,

I didn't think I was putting words in your mouth, but If I did, then I did. I'm sorry about that.

Probably what I should have said was "Yvsa, I really lust after what I think of as a sheffield, can I ask why it isn't in your pivs?"

Then you would have said something like "Actually the Sheffield's fall into one of the three categories."

Then I would have said "Oh really? Which one?"

And then you would have enlightened me ?

Pretty Please ???


BTW anyone out there have any Paul Chen knives they want to talk about? He/They have some real pretty ones too!

http://knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Browse.asp

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Sorry put the wrong pic into the link, previously was a Cold Steel product, not the Paul Chen I intended to post.
 
45-70 said:
Yvsa,

I didn't think I was putting words in your mouth, but If I did, then I did. I'm sorry about that.

Probably what I should have said was "Yvsa, I really lust after what I think of as a sheffield, can I ask why it isn't in your pivs?"

Then you would have said something like "Actually the Sheffield's fall into one of the three categories."

Then I would have said "Oh really? Which one?"

And then you would have enlightened me ?

Pretty Please ???
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You didn't put words in my mouth, just didn't understand.;)

The one you pictured falls into the first category or the straight backed Bowies.
Actually the Sheffields fall into all three categories depending on the style.
Like I said, "There are several sub groups.";)
 
Gentlemen, Ladies, and others.

I have been in contact with what I believe to be a well respected small manufacturer in regards to the Sheffield Bowie I posted earlier. While he has a slightly different thoughts on that knife than the picture I posted, I feel that it's close enough for Govt work. I believe it would be inappropriate for a copy anyway. If anyone else is interested please contact me off forums. I don't want to cause any trouble for the mistress of the house.

I apologize if anyone feels I've hijacked the thread.

Jim B

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