Izula vs Rat 3

most knife shop/gun dealers dont know the laws either. One gun dealer tried telling me, that it was illegal to buy/sell bull barrelled rifles in Ca. Another one told me, that I couldnt own more than 50 rounds of hollow point pistol ammo at any one time. So dont take them at their word, my experience is, they are usually wrong. The best one I got though, was I got told they didnt carry more than 1lb kegs of gun powder because people could use them as a bomb, so it was illegal to sell them.
 
ubet said:
No they arent. California uses the term dagger, to describe any fixed bladed knife. Quote me one place in california state penal code, where it says double edged knives are illegal.

thread on whats legal and not in ca, from calguns http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=178118

an overview of knife california knife laws, with references to penal codes
http://zknives.com/knives/articles/law/caknifelaws.shtml

12020-12040 of california penal code, info pertaining to carrying and illegal knives
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=12001-13000&file=12020-12040

and another good read/explanation of california knife laws.
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html

So again, please research any information that concerns any legal nature, and make sure what you are stating is true.
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then wouldn't a double edged knife fall into the 'dagger' category??
 
TheLastDaze said:
then wouldn't a double edged knife fall into the 'dagger' category??
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Only if it is concealed. California doesnt recognize a true dagger as a dagger, they recognize any fixed blade as a "dagger or dirk". So under the law, they are not illegal unless concealed, but any fixed blade is illegal if concealed. Notice in all of that, no mention of double edged. Just "dagger or dirk" in reference to a "weapon that is readily available to cause harm". Well hell, I can do damage with a 8 inch philips head screwdriver. If you intended to use the screwdriver as a weapon, you wouldnt be able to put it in your pants.

Its one of those laws that is written so you have to spend 100k on attorneys to figure out what the hell it means.

But being as that has already been done/tested, the law is you can have a double edged knife, so long as you dont conceal it. You can also own switchblades and balisongs, as long as you dont carry them, and they stay in your house.

30 rd ar mags are illegal too, but if you bring them from out of state, they are assembled for more than 3 years, they become legal because statue of limitations have ran out. Police can not get you for drinking and driving, if you pull into a public parking lot, jump out and drink a beer from the bed of a pickup.
 
ubet said:
Oliver, concealing a fixed bladed knife in Ca, is a FELONY! PERIOD! This is no if ands or buts its a felony. Do whatever it is that pleases your goat, but if you are going to give someone legal advice, it is best to know what you are talking about. I would have a microtech currahee on the way, instead of a rc5, if concealing in Ca was a no issue.
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You're quite right. I wasn't intending to give legal advice, just offering what I consider commonsense advice, which I cheerfully admit is not the same thing at all. I defer to your superior knowledge and certainly take your point about not concealing a fixed-blade knife. I guess that would mean that you would not be able to wear little neck knives like the Izula in the way in which they were designed. However, if you have a fixed-blade knife in a backpack or duffel or whatever, is that considered "concealed on your person?" I'm not sure. Doesn't seem like it, and it wouldn't seem to violate the spirit of what I understand to be the purpose of the law, but I'm neither LE or a lawyer. Am I a felon if I'm carrying a lunchbox containing a steak knife?

Maybe I am. But I personally wouldn't think too much about dropping an Izula or maybe even an ESEE3 into a backpack and going on my merry way if I thought I might be doing something where it would come in handy--for instance, if I was out for a hike in the coastal hills, or off to a city park with a baguette and other food that I planned to slice up for a meal. Probably I am too cavalier about such matters. On the other hand, despite the legality of doing so, it seems suboptimal as an everyday practice to roam most public environments with a fixed-blade knife of any size strapped to your waist unless you have a really specific purpose for doing so.

Apropos of which, I'm not sure I understand your point about the Currahee versus the RC-5. Is it that you feel okay carrying the RC-5 openly, but would feel conspicuous or self-conscious about doing the same with the Currahee?
 
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Oliver, I have NO idea about it being in a backpack, but I would take a guess and say it would be considered concealed. It would all depend on the cop that you were dealing with probably. Outside of town, going into the mountains and such, I wouldnt worry about it one bit. I would iwb it, or whatever I needed to do. The steak knife is not INTENDED to be used as a weapon so theirfore (I MIGHT BE WRONG) its ok in the lunchbox because thats what its used for, utility.

On the currahee, rc5, no I wouldnt carry either openly. Why I wanted the microtech, was to iwb it, and carry it concealed as a self defense weapon, but being as I cant do that, no need for that type of knife. So I opted for the rc5 (not to open carry or iwb), that I could use more practically and it would fit more roles than the microtech. The microtech was going to be a complete self defense weapon, where the rc5 use it for whatever.

Cheers
ubet
 
The only reason I know about the laws, is because I did A LOT of research before I settled on my next knife and what its purpose is going to be. The carrying aspect dramatically effected what I wanted//looked for in a knife. I didnt want to be a test case in court.
 
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