Jamie Westlund/AZ, aka Dr. Smooth, aka Smooth Doc, problems on MULTIPLE forums

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Summary: Jamie Westlund of Golden Valley, AZ has exhibited poor behavior on multiple Internet Knife forums

Authorization: This sale occurred on the UsualSuspect.net (USN), but I did check with Spark and he gave me the green light to post here too.

Current Problem: I sent Jamie $175 via Paypal GIFT on 09/14/2013 for CQC-7A and a Leuku. As of 10/06/2013, I have not received the knives, and Jamie has stopped communicating even though he has been online here at BF.

Timeline Details of Current Problem:
09/14: Paypal sent to: ol3toes@msn.com. Sent Paypal GIFT at seller's request (yes, that was stupid).
09/14: Seller states he will send knives on Wed, 09/18 "they'll go out Wednesday ( I'm getting two root canals on Monday! )"
09/18: Last login by seller on the USN
09/20: Sent seller a PM asking for tracking number; no response received
09/20: BF post: "Tan scales, stonewashed blade and plain edge mini 7A will be here Tuesday !!!" (LINK)
09/21: Emailed buy at PP address; no response received
09/22, 09/26, 09/29: Emailed the seller; no response received
09/26: Posted WDWD (BGU equivalent) on USN (LINK)
09/26: Received feedback from USN Buyer #1 about similar bad experience
09/30: Received feedback from USN Buyer #2 about similar bad experience
10/04: Found seller had logged in here (BF) on 10/04/2013

Previous problem Jamie had on USN:
After I posted my WSWD (GBU equivalent) on USN, I received two reports of similar slow shipping and poor communication on USN sales:
Buyer #1: "have dealt with the doc. ships slow, but the deal was fine. was a little out of touch on comm frequency, but filled the sellers end of the bargain without overall issue. good luck. have faith."
Buyer #2: "I had some communications issues with him as well, he said he was in and out of the hospital due to some health problems, but me made good on the deal. It just took him longer than was expected. I hope this info helps."

Previous problem Jamie had here on Bladeforums:
iTrader: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=297536
"never recieved item and very poor communication" Buyer arpeggios070590(2) 10-12-2011

Other information about Jamie:
Bladeforums profile (Join Date: 05-20-2011): http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/297536-Dr-Smooth
USN profile (Join Date: 05-20-2011): http://www.usualsuspect.net/forums/member.php?31863-Smooth-Doc
JerzeeDevil profile (Join Date: Apr 2011): http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/member.php/12033-Dr-Smooth

Emerson Collector: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/group.php?groupid=54

CONCLUSION:
Jamie Westlund of AZ is a dead beat seller, and has exhibited that behavior on multiple knife forums. If anyone has a mailing address for him, I am interested in opening a USPS Fraud Case against him. Thank you for your time.
 
Sorry to hear about that.
Hopefully they are trying to help you over there.
I'm not a member, so I can't see the link. Have they banned him there yet ?
 
Not much they can do over there (his forum access is restricted to WSWD); and Paypal can't help because I sent GIFT, so the only recourse I have is to inform other so that they aren't swindled by this thief. $175 isn't chump change, but it surely isn't enough to flush your reputation down the toilet over. Like Spark says in rule #10:

10. Last but not least -Ethics & Common sense are not optional. We are a thriving community because our membership has high standards for their fellows. If you do screw someone on a deal (buying or selling), being banned is nothing compared to having the postal inspectors come after you for Mail Fraud. People have a long memory about bad experiences.

Between here and USN, I guess he can turn to eBay to buy Emersons; speaking of, I think I'll call them Monday to give them a heads up about this dead beat; infuriating that he bought that brand new Mini 7A with my money; but it's okay, karma will catch up with him.
 
blacksheep25 said:
Not much they can do over there (his forum access is restricted to WSWD); and Paypal can't help because I sent GIFT,
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They could ban him from their whole forum if he doesn't get people their money or knife. But I have no idea about how things work over there

More and more people are being burned using the Gift option it seems. I'm sure you have already decided to not use it anymore.

Sorry to hear about you loosing money, and thanks for the heads up.
 
Restricted to WSWD, means he has no access to the rest of the forum. I'm sure he's never returning there. And I'm sure he won't log in here; he'll just lurk and think he got away with him. Maybe he'll chop off a finger with that brand new Emerson 7A Mini he bragged about, that would be justice. :)

Yes, not using PP gift for buying goods anymore. And I sent this post to Jamie's PP email address, so he's aware of it.
 
Stop using Paypal gift! M God, I cannot understand why so many people are surprised when they get ripped off. I'm not attempting to be insensitive, but goodness what possesses people to make such stupid decisions? We've had a run of threads with this same theme recently.
 
Stop using Paypal gift! M God, I cannot understand why so many people are surprised when they get ripped off. I'm not attempting to be insensitive, but goodness what possesses people to make such stupid decisions? We've had a run of threads with this same theme recently.
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This! It needs to be a sticky everywhere. Gift is the devil
 
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While the apparent increase in cases of fraud and deceit in the trade forums is something to be very concerned about, I have no sympathy for a buyer that has no recourse because they used PayPal gift. Its a GIFT! You are literally giving your money to the other person, why would you do that?!?! You saved $3.00...
 
justsomedude said:
While the apparent increase in cases of fraud and deceit in the trade forums is something to be very concerned about, I have no sympathy for a buyer that has no recourse because they used PayPal gift. Its a GIFT! You are literally giving your money to the other person, why would you do that?!?! You saved $3.00...
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I am no lover of eBay/Paypal, but isn't sending payment for a purchase as a "gift" a disingenuous effort to beat PayPal out of its fee for a sale?
 
I received two PMs (on USN) from Jamie, first one basically ended with: "I would still like to sent you the knives knives with something extra if you would still like them."

Then the second PM, EIGHT minutes later, basically said that she had been up all night and it really bothered her that I lied about her using the money to buy the Mini 7A (how is that relevant?); and that she would be cancelling the deal and sending my money back.

Still waiting for either confirmation that the knives have been shipped, or the money to be refunded.
 
Jamie, I attempted to contact you multiple times via both USN private message and email, here is a screen shot from all the times I sent you an email. Thus far, you have chosen not to respond to either the USN WSWD thread, or this post. You lament about being banned, well then YOU need to take action to prevent that from happening.

If you cannot meet the Friday deadline, then please post here about: a) what you will do to resolve this problem, and b) when you expect to have have that completed by.

I'm sorry you've experienced so much bad luck and health problems, but if you cannot communicate, ship knives, and fulfill your commitments in a timely manner, then that is only going to create problems for you in the future.


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Health problems are never good and are very real when they happen. However, there is the matter of lack of communication is worrisome. A person does not have to disclose the intricacies of their life in gory detail, explaining what is going on with a much or little detail as necessary to convey accuracy, and what will be done and when to provide closure on that matter. That is all that anyone asks for and is a very reasonable request in my opinion.
 
Yes you never know what life will throw at you when health issues arise and other things that happen. But please people if your sickely, your marriage is collapsing, your about to move and disappear from the forums and internet for weeks and months please do us all a favor and wait to trade and sell so members here don't have to get caught up needlessly in your personal problems and drama. They just want what they traded or paid for not excuses or silence.just my two cents :yawn:
 
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