Jay Fisher knives

^^ Very inflammatory. Uncool.

Coop
 
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Are you not allowed to ask about Jay Fisher knives or talk about them?
Granted he did not ask in the most flattering or proper way, but still, if someone asked about my blades I wouldnt care how they asked, at least my name is out there and someone or myself could talk about the pros of the blade and the cons of the blades.
Not trying to stir up trouble, just not quite understanding the reaction to a poorly worded question.
 
If they were over priced, they would not sell. People pay what they are willing to for a knife.

Many things go into the price of a knife. Skill of the maker. Reputation. Availability. Materials.

He tends to use gemstone quality natural materials for his handles. Hard to work with, a lot of that stuff.

Works of art, definitely. He makes some very very detailed and pretty pieces.

I don't think I could make my self use some of what he makes, but that does not mean it is not tough enough to be used at all.
 
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Bigfattyt said:
If it was over priced, it would not sell. People pay what they are willing to for a knife.

Works of art, definitely. He makes some very very detailed and pretty pieces.

I don't think I could make my self use some of what he makes, but that does not mean it is not tough enough to be used at all.
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See now thats an answer!
 
zachtateknives said:
a poorly worded question.
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the bane of internet forums and the root cause of flame wars.

Here' s how the question could have been worded;

what do you guy's think about Jay Fisher knives?

it's all about intent and when you lead the discussion with a negative against the work of a third party, where do you think things will go from there?
The result of this poorly worded question, will be my lack of involvement in this thread even though I have an interest in Jay Fisher's work. For what it's worth.
 
Spend some time on his site and you will find some useful info.

One link "Top twenty reasons Jay Fisher knives are worth your money"

There is also a very funny section with dumb questions and conversations posted (at least last time I was on there) which was worth a read for amusement sake!

He makes gemstone handled knives with very fancy sheaths. But he also makes "combat" knives with micarta handles, and locking basically bullet proof sheaths. They also have a high price tag.
 
Lorien described, in clear detail, why I responded to this affront.

The two negative aspects were inferred:
what do you guy's think about Jay Fisher knives? over priced,just works of art?
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This is a quality forum. To come crashing through the door like it's a bar room and ask like this deserves no more. I suspect the OP had made up his mind already and wanted to bash it about further.

Jay's knives, like so many makers, is an acquired taste. His knives have NO lack of quality work or good materials. He has a wealth of free information on his website and he's a big proponent of Custom Knives.

For this reason, I took offense at the remark.

Zach, I think you are wrong believing this statement:
but still, if someone asked about my blades I wouldnt care how they asked, at least my name is out there and someone or myself could talk about the pros of the blade and the cons of the blades.
Not trying to stir up trouble, just not quite understanding the reaction to a poorly worded question.
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Human nature being as it is, I suspect you wouldn't be quite so forgiving if such a tone was directed at your work with lousy adjectives. Yes, it's a learning experience, but common sense and attitude preclude the promotional benefit.

It wasn't a poorly worded question, it was a trolling, inflammatory remark not intended (or worthy) of honest discussion.

dingus123: Your turn to backpedal. :)

Coop
 
Coop, you are absolutely right on with your comment above, concerning the inflammatory nature of the opening comments.

Bob
 
good lord guy's, i cant believe how stuck up and up tight some of you guy's get if someone doesn't word the question proper, i work none stop, and was in between jobs,so i couldn't draw out a long question, i meant no disrespect to fisher knives, just wanting to know some one's opinion that knows this maker better than i do, there is a lot of junk that is marketed well and do not want to waste money on it,so sorry that i ruffled your panties, i will never post another thing on this forum and please get real jobs,because it sounds like you have too much time on your hands,. and i don't mean this to everyone, thanks.
 
actually, I stated that your question should have been shorter.
 
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dingus123 said:
so sorry that i ruffled your panties, i will never post another thing on this forum and please get real jobs,because it sounds like you have too much time on your hands,. and i don't mean this to everyone, thanks.
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Poor boy. Did they hurt your feelings?

At least this thread made me have a look at Jay Fishers website. Some stuff I like, some stuff I don't like. The Chefs knives sets are nice!

Kind regards,

Jos
 
SharpByCoop said:
Zach, I think you are wrong believing this statement: Human nature being as it is, I suspect you wouldn't be quite so forgiving if such a tone was directed at your work with lousy adjectives. Yes, it's a learning experience, but common sense and attitude preclude the promotional benefit.
It wasn't a poorly worded question, it was a trolling, inflammatory remark not intended (or worthy) of honest discussion.
Coop
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You may think that, and by responding, maybe I am supporting what you said. A little over a year ago, I was commissioned to make a blade for a buddy of mine, 1/4"thick, stainless, wanted a nice ergonomic handle, light as i could make it, bottle opener, two giant serrations for cutting cord, and a saw spine back, not for sawing but for ripping, meant to leave a ghastly wound channel in Zombies. The drawing I came up with was torn apart by web users, saying to much stuff on one blade. Not being negative, or responding like a hurt child, I simply asked, what would you remove for a modern warrior? I drew exactly what my customer wanted, and thats when I learned about how sometimes, you need to persuade the customer from making you make a bunk design, because you tried to meet that goal they wanted. With input from web users and other knife makers, I was finally able to persuade my friend into something less over the top. Now that buddy has been to hell, he has asked me to make a smaller knife, as this one is too large, etc. So I guess what I was stating, is, no, you don't know me, you think you know me. I'll tell you this right now, I wish my steel was INFI.

Which you can apply to this forum too, responding in such a negative light to a member of this forum, even if you think or feel they are a troll, does little to show professionalism, nor does it do anything to help this forum, which we are on. I respect many members on this forum, including you, but sometimes it really suprises me how much they resemble my middle school neices. I always thought the idea of a forum is to continue to grow and learn, making others want to leave the sandbox doesnone of us good. I understand there will be those that swear up and down that their Walmart special is better than a Chris Reeves or a T.A. Davidson or etc etc etc. Show them evidence without being rude shows just how awesome you and your services are, if they keep going on and on, eventually they'llget banned anyways. Best wishes to all.
 
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Zach Tate makes a good point.

I did a little background check on dingus123 and I believe him to be a sincere convert to custom knives, and I feel bad about reacting so quickly, given that I believe his question to be sincere also, from what I've gleaned in reading his posts.

dingus123, I just wanted to point out a couple of things I noticed;

1. your enthusiasm is very high, (and let me tell you that I can relate, others would corroborate), and it might lead you to stuffing your foot into your mouth from time to time. I've done it, tail between my legs have always returned. This forum requires a desire for involvement that builds a thick skin and a respect for all participants. These guys are at the top of the pyramid when it comes to custom knives, (I'm not one of them, but they let me hang out here and put up with my antics, for which I am truly grateful).

2. this forum is very tight, and introductions are always appreciated, especially when you have an alias. We could do better in this regard by stickifying an 'introductions' thread

Now, to answer your question;

- I think about Jay Fishers knives often and hold them and him in high regard

- over priced- he does a broad spectrum of knives, and materials and finish work and complexity will add to the price, such as they do with all knife makers. His long time involvement in making knives, the fact that he is so prolific, that he is full time, and that he works closely with some high speed end users, puts him into a certain pricing category that does not seem out of line.

- just works of art?- there is no 'just art'. Art is art, and when someone gets a square peg and fits it into a round hole, the result can be Art. The consumer or patron determines for themselves when the fit occurs, as Art is collaborative when commerce enters the equation. Jay can and does make Art knives, and I suppose one could argue that ALL handmade knives are Art, but his remarkable number of different designs means many of his knives are truly one-off, and he'll also work a custom design, if he likes it. I don't personally feel that every knife that every knife maker creates should be classified primarily as Art, but feel that Artistry is imbued into each and every knife. Some people agree there was a successful outcome, others don't. I could talk myself in circles all day here, so I'll just go ahead and shut up:jerkit::)

Dude, it's okay to like Busse knives AND pretty Jay Fisher knives. It's not necessary to compare the two. If you want to have both, then do it! You've got the rest of your life to accumulate knowledge and knives, and apart from the hiccup this thread created, I think you're totally on the right track:thumbup::cool:
 
fair enough, i would like to apologize for how i came off as well, sometimes the way you word something it can be miss read,and take on different meanings( i hate texting too), thanks for the info
 
Lorien said:
I did a little background check on dingus123 and I believe him to be a sincere convert to custom knives, and I feel bad about reacting so quickly, given that I believe his question to be sincere also, from what I've gleaned in reading his posts.

dingus123, I just wanted to point out a couple of things I noticed;

1. your enthusiasm is very high, (and let me tell you that I can relate, others would corroborate), and it might lead you to stuffing your foot into your mouth from time to time. I've done it, tail between my legs have always returned. This forum requires a desire for involvement that builds a thick skin and a respect for all participants. These guys are at the top of the pyramid when it comes to custom knives, (I'm not one of them, but they let me hang out here and put up with my antics, for which I am truly grateful).

2. this forum is very tight, and introductions are always appreciated, especially when you have an alias.
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I must say that Lorien has taken more than his share of verbal beatings, and once when I thought he would never re-appear again. Luckily, he stuck it out, much to his credit.

All good points - and well said, Lorien. Hope everyone takes away the correct message.

Bob

7/30 Edit - Just read your above comment, Dingus. Good to have you here, looks like we may have another sound mind in our presence.
 
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Don't you just LOVE a happy ending!!!!!:D :thumbup: I know I do.

Welcome to the fold, dingus.

Paul
 
Lorien - Thanks for your time and crystal clarity.

Dingus123 - Thanks for your humility. That always works.

I apologize for misplaced feelings also. Welcome!

Coop
 
Hi Dingus,

Lots of hype and hope on forums. You asked a question. Your question was immediately met with....You didn't ask it right. Don't get pushed around.

While you were quick to point out that Dingus asked the question incorrectly and possibly an inflammatory manner. His question was not answered.

Bob, Coop, Jos and Lorien what are your experiences with Jay Fisher's knives?

Which ones have you purchased for your pleasure, use and/or enjoyment?

I like Dingus have no personal experience with Jays' knives. As you are knowledgeable members of this forum I would appreciate your take on his work. You can be specific to just the ones you have owned if you like.

Was that sweet enough Paul? :D
 
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