Jay Fisher knives

just wondering but if you purchased a Fisher Tactical knife it should have already come with a Kydex sheath???????? replacing the sheath would only decrease the value. ( i know this thread is old btw)
 
oh yeah, good times way back then. I lol'd, I cried...
 
I think as far as gemstone scales go jay fishers work seems unparalleled .
I can't imagine I'd use one but I'd definitely buy one .
Price is subjective if you look at some of the gemstone used it is literally one off , never again will it be used or sourced.
Put a price on that ? Its hard FNF from the photos looks superb .
The phrase art knives again I suppose is subjective "just art knives" a different statement .
But feel the op could've been asked to reiterate before being conveyed as flaming.
But there are people who look for forums to flame and due to people's passion they reciprocate.
Looking at the waiting list you could say well they obviously are highly thought of.
But in some circumstances desirable material objects are overpriced.
The fact that they are selling or were selling at 45% appreciation IIRC answers the overpriced question.
An old thread yes but I love gemstone and have frequented forums and custom knife sellers sites.
But apart from jay,s site never seen any for sale or any discussion apart from one thread.
This was in regards to the patent pending on blade design , I could understand the op of this thread questioning wether someone should try as they suggested.
To patent a shape rather than a design which AFAIK isn't allowed lotus tried to do so and failed and they spent a fortune.
Although I add I don't know if the patent question is relative/true or what.

Edit: does anybody know if j fisher uses forums and if so which ones .
 
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Sharpend - It is perfectly fine that you think so highly of Jay Fisher's knives, I also like Jay's work, but that being said, your statement that "as gemstone scales go jay fishers work seems unparalleled" is just absurd!

Ever hear of Buster Warenski or Paul Jarvis? Those are just two names that come to mind that have done some incredible work using stone. There are many that do exquisite work utilizing gemstones.

Peter
 
My sincere thanks to the OP for starting this thread, and and to those who ressurected it.

I have learned things about very high end knives that I did not know. I have also been made aware of sensitivities that had not occurred to me.

I have the highest respect for some of the posters on both sides, but no interest in the argument.

My only interest is in exposing myself to any and all intruments that make clean, precise and effortless cuts. I have had excellent dealings with Coop and Big Fatty.

I will never have the money to personally own and enjoy the work of Warenski, Jarvis, Steinau, Loerchner or even Mr. Fisher.

Until this thread I had only thought of Fisher as as good retail dealer with excellent taste and good prices for cutters that I have an interest in. I will re-visit him.

I will be happy if someone could point out other threads discussing High end Makers. I will look, but I am old and I may miss some good ones. I have no idea how I got to this thread, but I am pleased that I found it. My sincere thanks to the Mods that did not close this thread.

Thanks to you all again,

Mike helberg
561-797-0006
helbs1@gmail.com
 
Still waiting for an answer to my question on the sheath. was it leather or kydex? Mr. Fisher's "tactical KNife" as you put it would have had a kydex already. Makes you wonder, Hmmmmm........
Good question, I had an "everyday" kydex sheath made, the one that came with the knife was great, sturdy and secure but sheaths tend to get beat up so I thought that would have an impact on value in the event of a trade or sale so the sheath is actually treated much better then the knife.

Monkfish is always great if you know how to cook it.....and thats very difficult.

Jon[/QUOTE]
 
prc77ro said:
Still waiting for an answer to my question on the sheath. was it leather or kydex? Mr. Fisher's "tactical KNife" as you put it would have had a kydex already. Makes you wonder, Hmmmmm........
Good question, I had an "everyday" kydex sheath made, the one that came with the knife was great, sturdy and secure but sheaths tend to get beat up so I thought that would have an impact on value in the event of a trade or sale so the sheath is actually treated much better then the knife.

Monkfish is always great if you know how to cook it.....and thats very difficult.

Jon
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IF you are talking about a knife from a maker like Scagel, the original sheath would have a great impact on the value.....If you are talking about a sheath requiring great workmanship like a Warenski sheath or a Rapp sheath formed from metal, that would have a great impact on the value of a knife.

If you are talking about kydex or leather, you are talking about MAYBE $100.00 impact on the value of a knife.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
IF you are talking about a knife from a maker like Scagel, the original sheath would have a great impact on the value.....If you are talking about a sheath requiring great workmanship like a Warenski sheath or a Rapp sheath formed from metal, that would have a great impact on the value of a knife.

If you are talking about kydex or leather, you are talking about MAYBE $100.00 impact on the value of a knife.
Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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I think a couple exceptions to the above would be a fine Larry Fuegen knife without his usual accompanying fine leather sheath or a Daniel Winkler higher end piece without a Karen Shook Sheath. These maker's work has gotten to the point where their fine leather sheaths are expected with their knives and the knives are much less marketable without them.
 
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There are a number of post-1986 Warenski daggers for which sheaths were never made. It generally hasn't caused any one of them to be any less marketable. And the value of such daggers isn't "generally" diminished. However, there is great added value when a sheath accompanies, "requiring great workmanship".

The one exception to this would probably be San Francisco-style Warenskis. As a general rule, such knives/daggers are more desirable with a "sheath requiring great workmanship" than without one.

Not trying to de-rail the thread, but hopefully adding clarification on one of several makers whose sheaths are works of art themselves and therefore justify added value.
 
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Kevin and Bob,

I agree with what you are both saying, a Karen Shook OR a Buster Warenski sheath could easily add a value of $500-$1,000 if it came with the knife, but in this context, it was specific to a Fisher sheath of kydex or leather that could surely only affect the value by something around $100.00.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Jay Fisher's kydex sheaths actually are quite unique. So are many of his leather ones. He does seem to take pride in, and remarks on the importance of, his sheathwork. If his knives indeed become desirable over the fullness of time, Jay's sheaths may present a greater investment value if included with the knife.

How does a Loveless knife and sheath combination compare in value to a Loveless knife without the sheath, percentage-wise?
 
Lorien said:
Jay Fisher's kydex sheaths actually are quite unique. So are many of his leather ones. He does seem to take pride in, and remarks on the importance of, his sheathwork. If his knives indeed become desirable over the fullness of time, Jay's sheaths may present a greater investment value if included with the knife.

How does a Loveless knife and sheath combination compare in value to a Loveless knife without the sheath, percentage-wise?
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Having a Loveless sheath with a Loveless knife certainly makes the piece more desirable and marketable, however I don't believe you could put a % on it. Too many factors in play.

I have owned two Loveless knives both had Loveless Sheaths. One was quite rare and the sheath was not signed by Bob. I asked two who I considered Loveless experts what impact the sheath not being signed had on the knife's value. One said probably none the other said it added to the rarity thus probably increasing value.
 
So i guess this means i missed the opportune for up to date info? I have the only other jay fisher post, got sent here because of similarities :(
 
Interesting video of Jay's shop and operation. I've never seen his work in person, but sure enjoy the eye candy available online. Very impressive.
[video=youtube;IKEbFe0Kyrw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKEbFe0Kyrw[/video]

chouinardragon said:
We tried to work with Mr. Fisher on a tactical knife for our teams but find his knives to be more works of art and less hard use. Albeit, he uses wonderful materials to construct them. Who else would be a good choice in combat tactical knives who is just as skilled as Mr. Fisher? We looked at Daniel Winkler, but the same materials are not used for what we need. We are looking for someone to take our design concepts and incorporate them into a knife design based on our ideas as well as the knife makers own professional experience.
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A hard use knife for professional tac use with immaculate to ornate finish attention is likely a waste of money for the end user.

They're going to get beat up, damaged, lost, and possibly even broken anyway. Same goes for the sheaths. The other thing that any team has to consider in a selection is if the maker can keep up with those realities, i.e. getting stuff repaired/replaced immediately.

As to not derail the thread, feel free to PM or email me to discuss your requirements and I'm sure we can get you pointed in the right direction.
 
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that was a neat little video. Really enjoyed it.
 
hello all
sincerely very complicated to answer to your question the relationship with money
is very complicated and I think the American people are much freer with these money problems
I just spend 3500 euros (about 5000 USD) for ED FOWLER much for BAGWELL
is this normal or not I do not even ask me the question my pleasure and my passion have their limitations but want.
and especially I never regret
you can drink a very large champagne in a plastic cup or a glass or crystal baccarat is the difference I leave you to do
 
Jay makes some wonderful blades, and yes, they are works of art. As has been mentioned earlier, they are somewhat of an acquired taste. My hat is off to him for spending long hours burning the candle at the pc keyboard for our education followed by hours of roasting his poor fingers on those insipid buffing wheels. He is top notch.
 
peterinct said:
Sharpend - It is perfectly fine that you think so highly of Jay Fisher's knives, I also like Jay's work, but that being said, your statement that "as gemstone scales go jay fishers work seems unparalleled" is just absurd!

Ever hear of Buster Warenski or Paul Jarvis? Those are just two names that come to mind that have done some incredible work using stone. There are many that do exquisite work utilizing gemstones.

Peter
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Well to be fair to my statement and to yours the word 'seems' sums it up.
This I am finding the issue as more time passes in this business of collecting custom knives and production knives.
And that is no I haven't heard of them I can't look them up before you mentioned them which is part if the problem.
See for instance I am rather a fan of stone working in knives and mop etc than Jay fishers work .
I like his work and googling gemstone handles the first hour of trawling brings up his work above others.
I have noticed a lot of the 'really' good makers in these types of knives are not well known .
Perhaps its because they are a acquired taste , that some have limits I'd imagine dropping one wouldn't end well.
But thanks for the names to look at I always like new guys to research that doesn't make my statement absurd just misinformed .
I've been collecting for two years seriously meaning buying at least 1 knife every other week , I have two gem stone knives.
Both commissioned from makers 1 is known here the other I doubt anyone has heard of , one I brought a Santa fe works Spyderco was damaged .
Had to go back and they never had a replacement so I appreciate your input but absurd is a bit strong now whilst I can be the devil himself .
I like to be polite courteous and respectful so I've explained , a better statement - from what I've seen jay fishers work 'seems' unparalleled .
Also the knives we are talking of are a specific area which is still relatively small I mean I've looked at every knife on sale here for the last 12 months and , can recall only maybe three to four that have used gemstone and maybe 6 or 7 that have used pearl etc.
So hopefully that clears that up maybe ill come back and say those guys work is better , but we are all learning and its better to politely point out where things are wrong etc.
Rather than rushing on unless of course you are reciprocating the attitude of the post or op in a thread.
My lack of experience is to blame in this instance but now I've learnt of at least two more to look up .

Actually going back over my post I think you've chosen to highlight that statement and have a poke .
As I clearly state I look but the gemstone knives never seem to come up, so please try not to read too much into what is written in one sentence albeit poorly constructed .
Communicating is about considering the possibility that there are other meanings to what folk write on the net unless down right blatant .
A lot is lost when writing and that has to be unless as above considered , thanks.
Thanks ATB :)
 
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