Jerimiah Johnson Knife

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Hi there guys,
I would like to pose the question, what did Redford use for a knife in the movie Jeremiah Johnson? As far as I can tell its a good old Western W49, but thats jut what it looks like, do any of you guys know the facts? Also are there any other guys who love the movie as much as me :D?? Thanks
 
Not sure about the movie knife, but a guy (UncleScrewtape on the forums), designed a knife based on all that.

The first was a one off from Busse, called the Behemoth. I own that.

The next incarnation became the Fherman Extreme Judgement IIRC.

But all was based on the love of this movie and the search for the perfect 'Mountain Man' knife.

Rob
 
I just saw the movie about a week a go, and I always enjoy it. I don't think there's much fact in the movie about Johnson.

I can't say where I read it, but I remember hearing that the knife in the movie was made by John Nelson Cooper.
 
I noticed the big Bowie and it looked like a Western alright. Hard to say what Jerimiah Johnson really carried .
 
I noticed the big Bowie and it looked like a Western alright. Hard to say what Jerimiah Johnson really carried .

The real "Liver Eating Johnson" carried a knife like this knife. (this is a historical reproduction done by R. J. Handcrafted Knives under agreement with the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY.

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The real knife is in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY and has been autheticated.
 
The real "Liver Eating Johnson" carried a knife like this knife. (this is a historical reproduction done by R. J. Handcrafted Knives under agreement with the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY.The real knife is in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY and has been autheticated.

Great info TLC. I would have bet "dollars to donuts" he carried a Green River type butcher blade. Learn something everyday;)
 
Jeremiah Johnson is my absolute favorite movie! Seen it so many times I lost count.

For fans of the movie, I highly reccomend the two books it was based on:

Crow Killer by Raymond Thorpe (biography of the real "Liver Eatin' Johnson")
Mountian Man by Vardis Fisher (fiction book about a Mountian Man)

PhilL, I have tried my best to confirm that John Nelson Cooper made the knife, and have not yet found a source for that. Not saying he didn't, but it sure looks like a Western #49, even the factory sheath. I did once see a reference that he may have made the knife carried by Will Geer as Bear Claw Chris Lappe in the film though???? This has made me spend WAY to many hours online trying to confirm it before! :D
 
PhilL, I have tried my best to confirm that John Nelson Cooper made the knife, and have not yet found a source for that.

TLC, I can't find my source either. There used to be a John Nelson Cooper website, that you could order a JNC designed knife, it's not coming up in my searches. JNC, made lots of knives for the movies and many Hollywood stars. I remember that Jeremiah Johnson the movie was mentioned.

Gud4u, I know Jeremiah Johnson was a real person, if you do some reading you're going to find out that The MOVIE has little to do with the actual person.
 
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Liver-Eating JohnsonJohn "Liver-Eating" Johnson (c.1824 – January 21, 1900) was a mountain man of the American West.

He is said to have been born in New Jersey with the name John Garrison. Some accounts say that he joined the navy in 1846 during the Mexican-American War but, after striking an officer, he deserted, changed his name to John Johnston, and traveled west to trap and hunt in Wyoming. He also became a "woodhawk," supplying cord wood to steamboats. He was described as a large man, standing around six feet tall and weighing over two hundred pounds.

In 1847, his Native American wife is said to have been killed by members of the Crow tribe, and Johnson set out to take revenge, his personal war on the Crows lasting more than 20 years. The legend says that he would cut out and eat the liver of each man killed, but it's quite possible that this only happened once and that he just pretended to eat the liver. In any case, he eventually became known as Liver-Eating Johnson (usually spelled without the t in Johnston). Since eating the liver of a victim is a symbolic way of completing a revenge slaying, some credence might be given to this activity.

One story is that Johnson was ambushed by a group of Blackfoot warriors in the dead of winter on a foray to visit his Flathead kin, a trip that would have been over five hundred miles. The Blackfoot plan was to sell him to the Crow, his mortal enemies, for a handsome price. He was stripped to the waist, tied with leather thongs and put in a teepee with an inexperienced guard outside. Johnson managed to chew through the straps, then knocked out his young guard with one crippling jab between the eyes, took his knife and scalped him, then quickly cut off one of his legs at the hip. Allegedly using the leg as a blunt weapon, he made his escape into the woods, and survived on the Blackfoot's leg until he reached the cabin of Del Gue, his trapping partner, more dead than alive, a journey of about two hundred miles.

Eventually, Johnson made peace with the Crow, who became "his brothers", and his personal vendetta against them finally ended after twenty-five years and scores of Crow warriors had fallen. The West however was still a very violent and territorial place, particularly during the Plains Indian Wars of the mid 1800's. Many more Indians of different tribes, especially but not limited to, the Sioux and Blackfoot, would know the wrath of "Dapiek Absaroka" Crow killer and his fellow mountain men.

The above information is based upon the yarns and tales told over and over through the years. Mountain Man by Vardis Fisher is a good fiction source.

The accurate story is told in the diaries of Lee and Kaiser who were on the Missouri River in 1868 when Johnston was given his moniker after a rainy fight with the Sioux.

He joined the Union Army in St. Louis in 1864 (Co. H, 2nd Colorado Cavalry) as a private, and was honorably discharged the following year. During the 1880s he was appointed deputy sheriff in Coulson, Montana and a town marshal in Red Lodge, Montana. He was listed as five foot, eleven and three-quarter inches tall according to Government records.

In December 1899, he was admitted to a veteran's hospital in Los Angeles, died on January 21, 1900, at the age of about 76, and was buried in nearby Sawtell National Cemetery. In the early 1980s his body was dis-interred and moved to Cody, Wyoming. Johnson is now buried at Old Trail Town in Cody, Wyoming with several other local old west characters. Old Trail Town is a town created with authentic buildings from the old west, including a cabin once used by the Wild Bunch, which included Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

His tales are also the basis for the movie Jeremiah Johnson featuring Robert Redford.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver-Eating_Johnson"
 
TLC, I can't find my source either. There used to be a John Nelson Cooper website, that you could order a JNC designed knife, it's not coming up in my searches. JNC, made lots of knives for the movies and many Hollywood stars. I remember that Jeremiah Johnson the movie was mentioned.

That's one of those that drives me nuts trying to find out! Even though I lean towards the Western #49, I would gladly be wrong if I could know for sure! :D

Aaaghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I absolutly love that movie and everytime I see it I walk around for days singing the Jeremiah Johnson song...
 
According to Treeman knives, a knifemaker named R W Wilson made all the bowies and hawks in the Jeramiah Johnson movie
 
Jeremiah Johnson is my absolute favorite movie! Seen it so many times I lost count.
For fans of the movie, I highly reccomend the two books it was based on:
Crow Killer by Raymond Thorpe (biography of the real "Liver Eatin' Johnson")
Mountian Man by Vardis Fisher (fiction book about a Mountian Man)
PhilL, I have tried my best to confirm that John Nelson Cooper made the knife, and have not yet found a source for that. Not saying he didn't, but it sure looks like a Western #49, even the factory sheath. I did once see a reference that he may have made the knife carried by Will Geer as Bear Claw Chris Lappe in the film though???? This has made me spend WAY to many hours online trying to confirm it before! :D

This movie literally changed my life. I grew up in Indiana and saw this movie 2 times at the theater when it came out (1970?). I was 21 years old at the time. I packed all my meager belongings and headed for Colorado. I've lived here ever since. I've read both books you mention (and many other mountain man books) above and seen the movie at least 30 times. I always like the woods when I was young but this movie got me off my ass and out to the real mountains.

Regards
 
One of the knife magazines (I believe Blade) did an article a couple yeas ago with photos on Mr. Johnson's actual bowie which is currently displayed at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY.
 
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