Jerry, ever think about. . .

Cpl Punishment

Cpl Punishment

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Either having Scrapyard, SwampRat or maybe start another company that offers something like the Basic line of knives on a continuous basis?

I don't know if you'd draw enough business, but I keep hearing people complain about how hard it is to get a Busse knife.

Maybe offer a Basic line made of some good 5160 or such (to keep the current Busse steels exclusive), to give a good, tough blade with good edge protection, reduced cost vs the more exclusive models, and maybe a sheath. That way, people could get a very good blade whenever they want, Busse, Swamp Rat and Scrapyard could continue as they are, and you'd widen your customer base with a more available "gateway drug".
 
Cpl Punishment said:
, but I keep hearing people complain about how hard it is to get a Busse knife.
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Just tell those complainer's to sign up here at BF, and check the exchange. (Its full of Busse's at a good price), and keep an eye on the Busse room for Ganza's and what may be coming to the BCS:thumbup:

It's very easy to get a Busse, and if they don't want to put in at least a little effort then they should have... No Regrets.
 
Hmmm. If Busse makes knives like this available, then yes, people will froth all over them at first, purely because of the brand.

But then they will discover it isn't INFI, the performance of the knife won't be what it should, and Busse's 'nuclear tough' reputation will suffer.
 
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5160 only comes into its own when it is forged. It is labor intensive, therefore it would never be the 'cheaper-gateway-steel' you suggest.
That said....Busses aint hard to come by....1) save your dollars and 2) check the exchange and/or company store on a semi regular basis.

2010 had to be the best year to buy Busses....i picked up a BWM le , B11 , and sar3.....I seriously could be happy the rest of my travels with just those 3 alone
 
You know, those are all great Busse forum answers, BUT. . .

They don't want to pay aftermarket prices.

Busse's name won't suffer any more than finding out the Swamp Rat and Scrapyard don't use INFI -- no one has a problem with them.

5160 doesn't have to be forged to come into its own unless you want to do a primitive heat treat, which none of the Busse companies do.

Hell, I don't care if it's SR101 or whatever the hell Scrapyard uses, I'm just throwing out suggestions, and there's been plenty of stock-removal 5160 blades on the market for a long time, and they work fine, that's why I suggested it.

The idea isn't so much for people who already buy Busses, but for those who whine about the price, then cry about the performance of lesser knives.

In the end, it's just a suggestion.
 
hankbarlow said:
5160 only comes into its own when it is forged. It is labor intensive, therefore it would never be the 'cheaper-gateway-steel' you suggest.
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Sorry, friend, have to disagree with you there.


Cpl Punishment said:
5160 doesn't have to be forged to come into its own unless you want to do a primitive heat treat, which none of the Busse companies do.
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There is the right answer, and Bill Siegle knives are Exhibit #1. Stock removal knives of 5160 with an optimized HT are outstanding performers. If Jerry chose to use 5160, we can assume that he would have the best possible HT for it, as he has developed for S7, D2, 52100, and 154CM.

It is also true that this is the best time ever to be in the market for Bussekin steel. While one may not be able to buy a SR Desert Jack at original price (to use one example), there are plenty of other choices for a patient buyer.
 
Agreed 5106 does not need to be forged in order to get the best performance.


Forging does save material. You can make bigger knives, or more out of the same amount of steel.

Forging does not give any "magical" properties to the steel however.

Stock removal and forged with the same steel, and optimal heat treat will have the same performance.


I think withe the heat treat you get with the SR101, or SR77 steels will both outperform 5160 even with optimal heat treat (although I think SR77 will be closer to 5160 in edge retention, I still think it would edge it out, so to speak).

Speaking of, I really do need to grab some Swamprats and Scrapyards in Res C.

I love the stuff on my B11, and would like some other blade sizes and styles with the same handle material.
 
The SAR3 has been available on the store for a while now, and there is still one model there. And it is very reasonably priced.

Anyone can order the currently available model(s) on the main site.

Many models are available on the secondary model for right at their original selling price or even lower right now... the market is a bit saturated with some models which has brought prices down. Often you can buy a new/unused knife WITH a sheath for the same price it cost directly from Busse without one.

Not sure what is hard to find about 'em.




...but I would like to see the Basic line available constantly. ;)
 
Me personaly, I wont spend that kinda money on a peice of steel that doesnt shoot bullets. 2, Your right, I dont want to pay after market Outragouse prices. there way to expensive and Hard to come by. busse is the $3000 custom 1911's. there still gonna break and there still gonna need maintenice. So why? i would love to have a busse, and a $3000 custom 19110.but there way to expensive. EVERYTHING BREAKS.

Yes i wish they would come out with more knives. I personaly think if they would make more avalible then more people could buy them. that is why i cant and wont buy these three brandname knives.
 
I agree with Guy, although I'd forgotten that Bill uses 5160. My first thought was Ted Frizzell's Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works and his collaborations with John Gonzalez's Dervish Knives. There are no flies on those guys. Even though Ted goes with a hollow grind, those are pretty tough blades.

And hasn't Jerry already suggested that the production protocol for at least one of the family enterprises is going to shift to continuous production of a limited number of models?
 
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Me personaly, I wont spend that kinda money on a peice of steel that doesnt shoot bullets. 2, Your right, I dont want to pay after market Outragouse prices. there way to expensive and Hard to come by. busse is the $3000 custom 1911's. there still gonna break and there still gonna need maintenice. So why? i would love to have a busse, and a $3000 custom 19110.but there way to expensive. EVERYTHING BREAKS.

Yes i wish they would come out with more knives. I personaly think if they would make more avalible then more people could buy them. that is why i cant and wont buy these three brandname knives.
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Without getting into a discussion of whether or not Busses are overpriced, what price would you need to see them at to buy? I recently got a Scrap Yard Regulator, which is an awesome piece of steel, for something like $90, I think they originally sold in that same range too. I can't see Busse or any of the sub-companies offering knives much cheaper than that, and I think it's a very reasonable price.

I will also add that the "aftermarket markup" has recently disappeared for a lot of Busses. I think the market might be getting a little saturated and a lot of people don't have the discretionary income they did two or three years ago to "speculate" in knives. Right now even things like the Gladius, Basic 11, and SAR knives are selling for around what they cost from the factory.
 
Big philly 1 said:
Me personally, I wont spend that kinda money on a piece of steel that doesn't shoot bullets.

That's your choice; others choose differently.

2, Your right, I don't want to pay after market Outragouse prices. there way to expensive and Hard to come by.

While some sellers do charge too much IMO, you don't have to pay that. As noted above, there is a fine and continuing selection of all three brands at the best prices we have seen in years.

busse is the $3000 custom 1911's. there still gonna break and there still gonna need maintenice. So why? i would love to have a busse, and a $3000 custom 19110.but there way to expensive. EVERYTHING BREAKS.


Under any normal use, or even extraordinary abuse, Busse are unlikely to break. AFAIK, no $3000 custom 1911 comes with a no question asked lifetime replacement warranty like a Busse.

Yes i wish they would come out with more knives.

I personaly think if they would make more avalible then more people could buy them.

:confused: We have more newbies showing up every week. Plenty of buyers.

that is why i cant and wont buy these three brandname knives.

You certainly could, but you choose not to. That is your right.
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Let's not turn this into a "Why it's not a big deal to b uy Busse knives." thread.

I've been trough all of that reasoning with people and they want none of it, even pointing out the current models available and that SR and SY are less expensive.

Personally, I'm willing to pay for the flagship models. A lot of people aren't.
 
I just think if you put the Busse logo on a knife that isn't made of INFI, it won't work. Unless, you specify the steel ie: BUSSE 5160 etc.

BUT... maybe all the Busse brands could be consolidated into just one Busse brand, and the flagship BUSSE products be made of INFI and the other ones called BUSSE Swamp Rat and BUSSE Scrap Yard?? That way, the cheaper models are available with the Busse name, without really changing anything, except for a logo or two.

Sorry Jerry, don't mind us, we're just forming a marketing team here and rebranding your business :D :D
 
I love the designs of all three, but i cant see spending $250+ on any knife. i know there worht it, everything breaks. i cant spend more than 100 bucks on a good knife. I have a BK7 and that cost me $80. I use my knives hard. I dont like to carry hatchets. thats why i bought me an Ontario sp-8. I have beat the crap out of it. still goin strong. Bought it in 05 and since then it has been used on 30 campouts. never felt that its gonna break. even though it could. im not bashing any of them. im just agreeing with the OP. i think they should come out with a basic line. and make them more avalible. one poster said the quality would go down. i personaly dont think it would. $150 for a basic busse without "Infi" wouldnt bother me in the least. but i wuld cry if i broke a $300 knife. thats supost to be indistructible. Idrool over all the pictures of busses and swamprat/scrapyards.. I just wish i could affrd them. I would never spend a $1000 on an ar either. Sorry if you took its as me being agressive,that wasnt my intention. I just wish they would come out with a less expensive line of knives. thats all.
 
Big philly 1 said:
I love the designs of all three, but i cant see spending $250+ on any knife. i know there worht it, everything breaks. i cant spend more than 100 bucks on a good knife. I have a BK7 and that cost me $80. I use my knives hard. I dont like to carry hatchets. thats why i bought me an Ontario sp-8. I have beat the crap out of it. still goin strong. Bought it in 05 and since then it has been used on 30 campouts. never felt that its gonna break. even though it could. im not bashing any of them. im just agreeing with the OP. i think they should come out with a basic line. and make them more avalible. one poster said the quality would go down. i personaly dont think it would. $150 for a basic busse without "Infi" wouldnt bother me in the least. but i wuld cry if i broke a $300 knife. thats supost to be indistructible. Idrool over all the pictures of busses and swamprat/scrapyards.. I just wish i could affrd them. I would never spend a $1000 on an ar either. Sorry if you took its as me being agressive,that wasnt my intention. I just wish they would come out with a less expensive line of knives. thats all.
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You choose not to spend over $100 on a knife. You could do so if you wanted. People have their own priorities about spending.

But that is not even necessary because Busse already has knives in your price range from Scrap Yard with steels other than INFI.

You don't have to worry about breaking the knives at any price, because they will give you a new one if it breaks.
 
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