Jerry Hossom 8” Millenium Bowie – Destroyed!

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This is not a regular review.

Rarely does one get the chance – or rather the direct instructions – to ruin one of Jerry Hossom millenium Bowie fighters.

I had this rare chance - and I - reluctantly - took it.

I set out to ruin Jerry’s 8" Millenium Bowie that up to that point has been the number one knife in my collection…

How does one go about doing that?

Well, sit back and listen to my story:

During a conversation with Jerry, I almost jokingly suggested / asked if any of his knives could be broken while fighting with it…

Jerry was shocked at first, and then said very bluntly – this could not happen…in no regular cutting task - no matter how hard the material or tough the person - none of my knives would break like that…

It was a long and heated debate over the email – one that ended when Jerry said:

GO ahead - I dare you to ruin your knife…I tried to weasel out of it…I really didn’t like the idea of even cutting anything with it - this has been my loyal night drawer knife – the one you reach out to when awoken in the middle of the night (as soon as the ammo in the P-14 runs out of course… all 6 magazines that is)

(Side note: I never use any of my fighting knives- they all maintain their original sharpness – so they’ll be ready when THAT day comes...users get used and sharpened- fighters never do…)

But Jerry has already made up his mind: he said - don’t “try‘ to ruin it - I want you to destroy it! I want you to know what it takes…

And then he said - I’ll make you another one - better then the one you currently have (how can it get any better??)…

So on a lovely Saturday morning I set out to my garden to destroy my favorite knife…

This is the knife before I started: (Spyderco Gunting for size comparison)

http://hossom.com/pix2/

I’ve cut anything I found and it did nothing to impress the knife…like trying to race a STI / WRX Subaru in a parking lot…the knife never even revved...wood, rope, plastic, boxes…nothing…

Among other things I cut in half was a soda can filled with water (to simulate the test described in the last issue of blade magazine)… my swing was so effective it went through the base on which the can was placed…

This is the second image on the link above - and you can see the cut on the white board –which shows I am right handed..:)

Seeing this is the case – I proceeded to cut the board itself in half – this is the cover of a drawer made of dense plywood – and lots of other s#$hit in it too…Jerry said this stuff is very hard on knives cause it has other elements in it but wood, pieces of junk, metal, what not - I couldn’t notice anything – the knife simply chewed it and spit it out.

Here is the end result:

http://hossom.com/pix2/index_page0001.html

By now I was getting tired and frustrated. So I took out a log I kept in my yard for more then 6 months. This is VERY tough wood – and it is dry as hell - hence - the worst thing you could try and cut with a knife…

I started throwing cuts in it from all directions - and prying the blade out after it was stuck in the wood…this was hard for me – but had no visible effect on the knife...this is where I lost any trace of desire to let this knife walk away from this test…

Here is how the log looked like, after repeated cuts and stabs:

http://hossom.com/pix2/index_page0002.html

By now I wasn’t cutting anymore - I was stabbing and snapping it out…

Now we are not talking Busse blade geometry (refereed to by many as “a pry bar with a sharp edge”) this is a-lighter-and-faster-than-the-eye-can-catch-Hossom-fighter…still – it snapped and snapped…once I got it stuck so deep – I had to bend it 85-90 (!!) degrees sideways to get it out…

Jerry later said he’d love to see a picture of this one…well - I was too scared it will snap and fly, I let it go back easily – and bent the tip some 25 degrees…

Without any ceremonies I stuck it back and straiten it as best I could…by applying force to the other direction…

After numerous other attempts I finally did it – I broke the tip! At the time it was broken, it was stuck in the log a good 2 inches deep…and broke while being snapped out…

Here is that gruesome moment:

http://hossom.com/pix2/index_page0003.html

Jerry later commented that trying to pry out of this dry wood – with or against the thread of the wood is mighty different…and I was constantly snapping against the direction of the threads…

Any way – I pried out the piece and sent them off to Jerry for him to study them…

Here are the pieces:

http://hossom.com/pix2/index_page0004.html

In this image you can see the broken knife along with the upper section of the log - notice the amount of damage it sustained from cuts and “slashes”..

http://hossom.com/pix2/index_page0005.html

I now wait for my new Hossom…and still feel sorry to ruin such a fine knife.

The conclusion is simple: I cant see a way to destroy this knife in any regular way – apart from intentionally placing it in a vise and bending it repeatedly...and that takes a lot of effort too...

Actually - I think the wood was even harder on the knife then a wise, and the reason is this:

A wise - tightly closed - will not allow any movement in the blade – hence keeping the stress and pressure at the point the wise grips the blade…- the leverage is therefor kept at that point. The wood on the other hand allows the knife to swing sideways…hence putting the pressure at a lower point- towards the tip…and the leverage also grows…I think that is what got the tip to break eventually…
 
An impressive report. My respect for Mr. Hossom and his knives, which was already pretty high, just went up.

I've never had the chance to hold one of his knives, but the man knows how to make a handle. Every picture I've ever seen made my hand itch to hold the knife. Maybe someday... :)
 
Coonskinner,

If you think the knife looks good in the photo you should see what it feels like in hand. It is very lively and balanced. It feels so good you really have to exercise your will power just to let go of it. Sometimes, you just have to give in, buy it, and take it home. :)

BTW, What steel did Jerry use in that knife?

n2s
 
THIS IS A REVIEW!

Thanks Blilious. So tired of the reviews that discuss knives without using them or not using them in a proper setting.

/Colinz (proud owner of a Hossom Retribution)
 
First off, thanks for the review! :D

It would hurt me to damage such a fine, beautiful knife too, but it's interesting to hear how it performed.

What steel is this blade in? ATS-34? 3V?

Originally posted by Blilious
By now I wasn’t cutting anymore - I was stabbing and snapping it out…

Now we are not talking Busse blade geometry (refereed to by many as “a pry bar with a sharp edge”) this is a-lighter-and-faster-than-the-eye-can-catch-Hossom-fighter…still – it snapped and snapped…once I got it stuck so deep – I had to bend it 85-90 (!!) degrees sideways to get it out…

Actually, I believe that as stock thickness increases, strength increases, but flexiblity decreases. So, the thinner knife the more it should be able to flex (assuming similar steel, heat treat, geometry, etc.). Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. Still, that much flex is impressive.


Originally posted by Blilious
Actually - I think the wood was even harder on the knife then a wise, and the reason is this:

A wise - tightly closed - will not allow any movement in the blade – hence keeping the stress and pressure at the point the wise grips the blade…- the leverage is therefor kept at that point. The wood on the other hand allows the knife to swing sideways…hence putting the pressure at a lower point- towards the tip…and the leverage also grows…I think that is what got the tip to break eventually…

I'm not sure. The vise, as you said, focuses all (or much) of the stress on a small section of the blade, the part that is just above where the vise grips the blade, I believe. The wood, which gives way some to the high pressure of the flexing blade, spreads the load more, so that one section of the blade receives a smaller amount of stress than the most highly stressed section of the blade in the vice. Even though the very tip of the blade in the wood gets more stress than the very tip of the blade in the vice (which gets none), the stress it gets is not large and the upper portion of the blade, which is flexing more, gets more stress, but it can handle it because it has a larger cross-section. The tip flexes less because the wood, especially if it is quite hard, supports the part of the blade that is in the wood, artificially strengthening it. So, the blade in the vice fails first because the stress is not spread out as much as in the blade the wood. Of course, I'm not sure how much of a difference there would be...perhaps little.

I hope that made some sense :D

I totally agree about Mr Hossom's handles; I handled some at Blade, and they were very nice :)
 
Blilious,that is one crazy review.:D You actually made me cringe while I read parts of it.It was very cool to see what extent Jerry was willing to go to in supporting the quality of his work.Thanks for sharing.
 
Thanks for the kind words colinz coonskinner and not2sharp..

It’s too late to judge such long sentences Andrew...

But some of it made sense non-the less.

I still think a Busse would have lasted longer snapping like that - but then again -it could never swing or move as fast as a Hossom.

Different knives for different purposes
 
Originally posted by Blilious
Different knives for different purposes

Agreed :D

Don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed with many of Mr Hossom's designs, and can't believe how light and well-balanced his knives are. I also think it's great he's using 3V....it's so under-appreciated (or atleast under-used) IMHO. Great steel :)
 
Anybody else start crying when they read this? It was like the first time I saw the "Iron Mistress" and Jim Bowie threw that bowie into the river!
 
Damn it man !!!!!! Does anyone have any tissue ? I have cried so much from the sight of that beauty being broken I'm out .


My only question for Grass Hopper is : "When you cut can in half Grass Hopper did bottom stay on table ?" If so lesson learned very well . Great reveiw and I think it sorta puts to rest the theory that light,thin stock removal blades are not up to task .


Jerry


BTW: Danbo , those are some great clips of Stevie Ray > Are some of those from his concert at Austin City Limits in 1985 ?
 
Nice review!!! Interesting and entertaining. Plese destroy a custom knife each week for the enjoyment of your fans and regular viewers. I would suggest for a big end of year blow-out special - 2 identical customs, one in "regular" steel, and one Damascus.

Seriously - thanks!!!!!!!!!!:D
 
Originally posted by Practical Use
Nice review!!! Interesting and entertaining. Plese destroy a custom knife each week for the enjoyment of your fans and regular viewers. I would suggest for a big end of year blow-out special - 2 identical customs, one in "regular" steel, and one Damascus.

Seriously - thanks!!!!!!!!!!:D

LOL :D

I would hate to do that...but if you get all the makers to send me doubles - so I can keep one...I may consider that...

Gadi
 
Impressive, very impressive, but I have to say I'm not surprised, being a fortunate millenium bowie owner myself. I can't wait till he starts making these in S30V and makes himself available!

Oh yeah, I'll be glad to take the poor remains of that abused blade and put it to good use around the house here for ya. :D
 
"Oh yeah, I'll be glad to take the poor remains of that abused blade and put it to good use around the house here for ya. "

that is very kind of you nobody....

I asked Jerry, after examining the damage - that he would try and grind it down to a 6" Millenium...
 
Now that would be nice... a sort of discreet concealed carry millenium bowie. ;)
 
This is one of the most fascinating Post I have read.
It was, however, difficult to listen to the destruction of
knife.
 
Gadi, you are truly an evil person. That's one of the things I like about you. :)

ANY knife in ANY steel can be broken. It's only a question of how, and it's virtually impossible for a knifemaker to fully anticipate how it will happen. Repeated bends of this magnitude will certainly fatigue the steel, and I'm frankly surprise the initial rebending, after the 85 degree bend, didn't snap it. Rc61 is well above 3V's point of maximum toughness.

I sacrifice a couple knives a year in my own testing, and will ask a customer to do what Gadi's done from time to time, though not all are so successful at it. The more common damage is a chipped edge, having been hit on everything from angled nails to the false edge (90 degree wedge) of an Rc61 ATS-34 fighter. In that case the Rc61 3V edge actually cut into the Rc61 ATS-34, proving there is more to this than you can ever learn from a Rockwell tester.

One customer spent an afternoon with friends throwing a very pointy ATS-34 Millennium Figher into trees from both short and long distances, and capped that off by rigging up a catapault to do it with more force. That point had an included angle of less than 40 degrees in all dimensions, and I was very surprised it didn't break. It should have.

Gadi, thanks for your efforts. I'll start grinding your replacement just as soon as I can figure out how to rig it up with training wheels and an airbag. :)
 
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