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"Jump Qualified" Sheaths

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Whenever I see the term "jump qualified" applied to knife sheaths I write it off as marketing BS. Am I wrong? Has the military turned into such panty waists that you have to jump with a kydex sheath? Where were the kydex sheaths in WWII? Please enlighten me with some facts.

kevin005@email.com

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Jump Qualified sheaths have been around a long time, way before Kydex was used as sheath material. I've got a Gerber patriot (no longer in production) that is certified jump qualified. I think that there is some standard that is required to give it that rating. As far as I know, it basically means that the knife isn't going anywhere when you jump out of a plane.

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Hey Guys....

From what I understand a "jump qualified" sheath,, Has to have Two different was of retention such as double straps,, or in the case of Concealex one strap and the blade being retained by the Concealex itself.

With a leather sheath I believe it has to have a metal tip so it can cut it's way out on impact.

Concealex or Kydex is perfect for this because it can't cut it's way through...


ttyle Eric...

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One thing: the problem isn't when you jump out of the plane, but when you open the parachute, and there is a sudden jerk against the knife. Given the way military standards now work, there is probably a whole book of standards that a sheath must meet in order to be 'jump qualified,' rather than something simple, which would make sense to any of the rest of us.

--JB

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Thanks for the replies. I just got worked up because I was in the 82d Airborne for four years and I never once heard of anyone not being allowed to jump whatever knife he had. There was no kydex when I got out in 1988. Again, if things have changed please tell me, till then I'm still going to believe it's all BS.

Mutant
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IIRC, all it means is that it has 2+ retention systems to prevent it from being ripped out of the sheath by opening shock, rotor wash, prop blast, free fall, or anything else the paratroopers experience.

Often times it's just a second strap wrapped around the article in question. Like the Omega holsters from Blackhawk - they have their thumbreak and then they have a strap that goes around the pistol grip as well.

Now, whether or not the sheath is kydex doesn't have an impact on whether the sheath is jump qualified. Kydex just offers the additional advantage of having a retention point molded into the sheath itself (in addition to it's already well known other qualities).

I made every jump with a Cold Steel SRK in one of the old Cordura sheaths, with it's single strap holding the knife in. Worked just fine for me... of course, I had a dummy cord on it as well to prevent loss... but it never came out of the sheath, even when I had a bad opening.

Heck, I lost more beret's during jumps than I did knives!
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Damn thigh pocket blowouts!

So, while being Jump Qualified may be a nice selling point, don't put more weight into it than anything else. Test your sheath by fastening everything, turning the sheath inverted, and shaking vigorously. If the knife comes out - time for a different sheath. Then again, a little masking tape works great as well...

Spark

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Note: if there's any possibility you're going to crash a motorcycle, or dump a mountain bike, or whatever, you need to care about many of the same issues.

It ain't just about jumping out of perfectly good aircraft...

Jim
 
What organization oversees the testing and certification of paratrooper sheaths? The term "jump-qualified" means nothing without some kind of organizational seal or signature next to it. Crest is approved by the American Dental Association. If I'm a sheathmaker, to whom do I address my application letter?

David Rock

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Actually, you could contact either the Jump Master school on Fort Bragg (run by 82d) or the one down at Fort Benning, GA. Another good source would the riggers also found at Bragg. These sources have the most updated information on jump related issues. current regulations for JMPIs would provide the best information.

Dave
 
“Jump Sheath” as a term in the Kydex sheath industry has probably been coined by the Edge-Works team. It is a descriptive term used in the marketing some of our sheaths but is by no means BS. “Jump sheath” means exactly what it implies: a sheath designed for those who would jump while wearing a fixed blade knife. With regard to “Jump Qualified” or “Jump Certified” gear, in particular knife sheaths, it would depend on who you are talking to as to what is required or if it even applies. Some Military units have requirements for this others do not. For many this type gear is left to the discretion of their Jump Masters. US military differs from foreign militaries and so on. Of the sheaths that we make and label “Jump” we have include features that meet or exceed any requirement or standard that has been presented to us as necessary for an individual to use in his particular job. There is however, no all-controlling agency that I know of rubberstamping sheaths as “pass” or “fail”.

We first arrived at the term “Jump Sheath” during the development of the “All-way Sheath”.
( http://209.132.70.61/sheaths.htm )
In this development process we conducted extensive research as to what features would best meet the needs of today’s Military personnel in the way of a knife sheath. In particular the needs of “Victor unit” Marines to include those in Force Reconnaissance and other specialized missions. At the time, as now, we had uncommon insight as to what was desired by the individuals of those units and the type of missions they train for and are likely to be involved with. This insight was acquired in several ways. First Nearly all of the Edge-Works full time staff are prior service Marines. As well, nearly all of our part time staff are active duty Marines (several of which are currently attached to 2nd Force Recon at Camp LeJeune). Added to this is a core of individuals who we call “sponsored evaluators”. Sponsored evaluators receive from Edge-Works prototypes and production products. They use them, abuse them, and return them with comments as to what works what doesn’t and what is needed. All our sponsored evaluators either have served or are currently involved in occupations that give their opinions above average credibility. The combination of all this qualified input is functioning gear that is lacking only in “BS”.
Types of activities that we consider to fall under the term “Jumping” are Repelling, Fast roping, Helo casting, Static line jumping, and all the various “free fall” jumping scenarios. Any of the above activities involve the potential of a violent impact with the ground, water, or your buddy. Free Fall jumping (particularly HALO & HAHO) involves the highest altitudes, fastest speeds, and the heaviest loads as far as gear to the jumper of any of the jumping activities. It was our premises that a sheath that had the desired features to address the needs of the Free Fall jumpers could be readily adapted to the needs of the others.
Common dangers to Jumping with a fixed blade knife are, number one; the blade coming through the sheath and impaling the one wearing it. I have personally seen this happen while fast roping and in our research heard of many other instances. Second; is the likely hood of the knife coming out of the sheath because of an inadequate retention method or the inadvertent undoing of the retention strap. In either instance a loose knife while in rapid motion is potentially dangerous.
To address those problems we designed a sheath that was hard shelled (Kydex) that was far less likely to soften and bend and better capable of preventing the blade from pushing through. Next we included features to allow the sheath to be attached to the thigh and not just the belt. A sheath that is attached just on the belt in a fall can be flipped point up increasing the likelihood of self-impaling. Last, we made the retention redundant reducing the possibility that the knife will come free unexpectedly. The above features do not just make sense but are things that we were hearing over and over from jumpers and individuals calling them selves Jump Masters while doing our R&D for the All-Way and are things we continue to hear today as “must have” features. Hard shell, thigh mount and two points of retention.
Companies who are marketing their knives with “Jump Sheaths” or sheaths that are adaptable via attachments to become “Jump Sheaths” and they include all the features listed above are in no way over hyping their product or as some have suggested pushing BS. Those pushing sheaths as “Jump” and they do not have the above features … is a different story.



 
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