Junglas VS. CS Kukri..

What is the Lite Machete Warranty anyway. I am uncertain about how it is written on the ESEE website. Wondering if it is the same as the other ESEE.
 
IIRC, the lite machete does not have the standard warranty for 2 reasons:
1: it's someone else's blade
2: it's a machete - edge chipping & deformation is normal as this is a ground contact tool. if you're hacking on things and the blade snaps I'm pretty sure you're good to go, but if you're chopping brush and hit a rock or steel fencepost & damage the edge, that's expected wear and tear.
 
CapitalizedLiving said:
I like in an old city, with lots of big, old trees that drop huge branches when the wind blows. I tried small choppers, hatchets, and full size (18" +) machetes and have fully made up my mind that the Junglas outperforms them all. Here's why:

In my situation, I need something that can (1) chop fairly thick branches (4-5" diameter) and also (2) perform delimbing so I can reduce a mass of long, thin branches to a pile of twigs in a short amount of time. I also need something I can use in fairly confined spaces (by fences, behind the shed, etc).

Normally a hatchet would handle task #1 and a machete would handle task #2. But I don't want to switch tools in the middle of a task if I can find one that will do both. I do think a full size machete would handle heavier chopping but don't need the added length.

So if you're in a city, get the Junglas.

If you're in a mountainous area with plenty of dead wood and sizable branches laying around or within reach, and with no need to chop a tree down, get the Junglas.

If you're trying to chop down trees, get an axe and a saw. You'll want them both.

And if you're trying to hack through vines or brambles, get a full-size machete.
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Interesting. Why wouldn't you use the hatchet for limbing?
 
Yeah for an all about doing it all part axe, machette, camp knife, shelter maker, easy to carry, very hard to dull, knife, the Junglas is hard to beat. Its even thick enough to use the back as a hammer if you really need it. One of the best tools I have ever bought. I was so happy with it, I paired it with a 6 *Just as tough* Now I'm lookin at the lil bullet thang. I Need something small for the city jungle. enjoy edgy :thumbup:
 
Shotgun said:
Interesting. Why wouldn't you use the hatchet for limbing?
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It's a matter of personal taste and skill I think.

In a limbing contest, if you took someone who was an expert with an hatchet and put them up against me and my Junglas, he/she would probably beat me in terms of speed and accuracy.

But if I competed against myself, I would clock more chops in faster time, with greater accuracy, with the Junglas. And I'd have more energy to spare.

I only discovered this recently, as I previously used a hatchet exclusively for small chopping tasks.
 
2Edgy4u said:
Yeah for an all about doing it all part axe, machette, camp knife, shelter maker, easy to carry, very hard to dull, knife, the Junglas is hard to beat. Its even thick enough to use the back as a hammer if you really need it. One of the best tools I have ever bought. I was so happy with it, I paired it with a 6 *Just as tough* Now I'm lookin at the lil bullet thang. I Need something small for the city jungle. enjoy edgy :thumbup:
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It's one of the best tools I've ever bought as well. I sold off all my other choppers because, compared to the stark utilitarian look, feel, and performance of the Junglas, they were just expensive eye candy.

I personally pair the Junglas with a BRK Liten Bror. For basically any task that doesn't involve building a Keebler Elf factory inside of a redwood, I'm pretty much covered.
 
I just got a Big laugh out of the "Keebler Redwood" conundrum Too. Thanks for that one!! edgy:thumbup:
 
Getting back to the title of this thread, the Cold Steel Kukris are very good bush knives, especially the Gurkha Kukri. The cheaper machete models work well enough, but the Gurkha is a chopping beast. The old ones in Carbon V have become sought after, but the newer ones in SK5 work just as well. Unfortunately, I sold both of mine to buy an expensive kukri from a premium priced knife company that turned out not to work as well as the CS. If I get another one, I'd like to do a chop off between the CS Kukri and the Junglas. The Junglas is another decently priced chopper than performs better than its expensive counterpart on tasks that people actually use knives for. I know already that I prefer the Junglas handle. So can a 10" Junglas take a 12" kukri? It's too close to call from memory. Guess I'll need to get another CS Kukri to find out.
 
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Horndog,

I have a total of 5 machete's not including one from walmart I found, why I keep it I don't know its just a garage token I guess..

I actually would love to pair up something like the Junglas against my ultimate survival tool a 26oz 16 1/2" OAL HI which has a 3" knife on its sheath the blade length IIRC is 12" or so, because of its weight I'm not sure if I'd like to carry it much if I'm already packed out with weight/stuff.

Which is my point the Junglas is what 22 oz? If I'm going to carry 22-26oz with me I'd like to know which one I can count on most, I'm sure I'll get the Junglas eventually but for now I just use light machetes for camp, which I just ordered a couple trams.. (I'm sick )

But if anyone has a Junglas they'd lend me or come out and chop a little with me and my 26ozer I'd love to check that out, more of an apples to apples thing.. large bowie style against a comparable kukri..
 
A heavy well-sharpened HI Khukuri will out chop most knives. I have a few of those. I also have the 39 oz Killa Zilla Khuk from Busse Combat. I sold two CS Khuks to get that Busse last year. I had to do a lot of regrinding on the Busse to get to chop well. I also prefer a lighter blade for carry. But the CS Gurkha khukri weighs in at 22 oz, same as the ESEE Junglas and Busse Bushwacker Mistress. I already know that the Junglas can hang in there with the Bushwacker. Now I'm wondering if it can keep up with the Cold Steel Gurkha, which is one of the very best bush knives I have ever used.

But a good sharp cheap machete can do all you need to do with a big knife in the bush. I already know that.
 
When I was active duty I had one of those "mini survival machetes" which were sold for about $15 from Brigade Quatermasters - about a 12 inch blade and pretty bombproof. You could buy a "jump" sheath with it for like $20.

I found that overall this served as the best field tool I had. It saw use at Ft Campbell, JRTC (then at Ft Chaffee), and Panama. It fit well in the pack.

I see the Junglas as a better quality modern replacement to that knife.

I've seen people get kukris and later find that although it looked cool it didn't work as well for them as either the standard or shortened machete did.

I will agree it is probably terrain dependant, but a short machete like the Junglas has alot of value.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Isn't the lite machete manufactured by Tramontina? I've heard nothing but good things about them.
 
I have never needed anything more than a well-made machete for anything other than dedicated felling or splitting purposes (and a machete can do that, too, just not as fast as an axe). Up north you aren't just dealing with trees--it's grasses and brambles too. A machete has the versatility to handle anything you need it to. And as far as batoning goes, I've split a whole tree trunk with my CS Barong Machete and it did just fine. A machete has an advantage over chopping knives of the same weight by being longer and by concentrating mass behind the cutting edge so less energy is lost due to matter displacement during the cut. I say a machete all the way. :cool:
 
I lost count of how many machetes I have. I use them all the time, especially my 22" Tramontina. But the title of the thread was Junglas vs CS kukri. I don't know which of those is the better chopper, but they are both quite good.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I have never needed anything more than a well-made machete for anything other than dedicated felling or splitting purposes (and a machete can do that, too, just not as fast as an axe). Up north you aren't just dealing with trees--it's grasses and brambles too. A machete has the versatility to handle anything you need it to. And as far as batoning goes, I've split a whole tree trunk with my CS Barong Machete and it did just fine. A machete has an advantage over chopping knives of the same weight by being longer and by concentrating mass behind the cutting edge so less energy is lost due to matter displacement during the cut. I say a machete all the way. :cool:
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Not trying to argue with you because you obviously have more experience with the machete than I do but what about the wedging affect? Axes and hatchets don't wedge as much as machete's so how much energy is used in pulling the machete OUT of wood?
 
It's actually very rare that I ever have to pull a machete out of wood. Since you make cuts diagonal to the grain the blade typically opens up a wound in the material, and said material typically remains in position after the cut. Once in a rare while it happens to close up on the blade and you have to lever it free, but so rarely as to be negligible. Likewise once you get the technique down removing a wedged blade is a trivial task.

The primary time that wood wedges down on a blade is during splitting, due to the direction of grain growth. Since you baton a machete through wood that's not such a big problem. ;)

An excellent question. :)
 
I would've posted this vs. the Junglas but there really is no comparison..

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by far the ultimate for survival if you have the 26oz to spare in your load out..

this thing would easily take someones limb completely off no problem at all..
 
I can't speak for the Junglas just yet but I do own a CS Kukri machete and an RTAK II and I have found many more uses for the RTAK II than the CS around the campsite and the home-twenty. Hell, I just made a nice lemon bow a few weeks ago using nothing but the RTAK II so I know the Junglas would handle the very same task once I decide to pick one up but as for the CS Kukri, I probably wouldn't have attempted it.
I understand that isn't really a "chopping test" comparison but for chopping I just pull out my trusty rusty axe and let 'er eat.
 
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