Jury - Scratches on SJTACLE

Maniacal Pete

Maniacal Pete

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I purchased this SJTACLE from a fellow Blade Forum member as "Looks like mint to me" only to find that it had scratches near the handle that were not revealed to me before the purchase.

I'm a bit annoyed that these scratches were not mentioned during the transaction, I would not have sold the knife as mint without making sure my prospective buyer knew about them.

I'm also new at this and don't know quite how to proceed.

Esteemed members of the community, may I ask, what does this do to the value of the knife (I Paid $500 for it)?

Does it still qualify as mint?

How should this issue best be resolved?

Bill
 

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First off, Welcome to our forum. Hope you can hang around and enjoy the discussions.

Second, if you would like, send the knife to me at the shop and I will remove the scratches for you.

Busse Knife Co.
11651 County Road 12
Wauseon OH 43567
Attn: Garth


Again, Welcome to our little corner of blade forums and if there is anything we can do for you please feel free to email me garth@bussecombat.com


Garth




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^^^^^^^^ Good stuff there. Best customer service in the business!


If you don't want to mail it, just buy some flitz. It will take those scratches out asap.



But to answer the question, I'd say NO... I don't think lil' surface scratches would affect the value of a SJTAC-LE. The knife is fairly rare, but not extremely collectible like an older Busse (although it may be in time)...
 
Just make it into a user and get another for a safe queen :D
 
The standard on the Exchange is that the deal is not complete until both parties are satisfied. You have a legitimate beef with the seller, and IMO, he should offer to take the knife back and return your money if you are not happy with what you bought.

Certainly a classy offer by Garth, but why should you have to incur the further expense of shipping it to the Shop? The seller should step up and do the right thing.

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Looking closely at the pics, it is possible that those marks were on the knife from the beginning. There have been numerous discussions on the GBU regarding the definition of 'mint', as it can mean different things to different people. Still, the best practice as a seller is to give complete disclosure, and specifically mention any defects so the buyer can make an informed decision.
 
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Looks like Garth has you taken care of.

I think resinguy covered what I wanted to say although it is hard to know what to disclose when certain things are either not an issue or not visible to the seller. The best way I have found to describe things that are new is to say it is "as received from Busse". I have been the original owner of quite a few Busse's and can say that not all of them arrive in "mint" condition. Those cardboard sleeves reek havoc on satin finishes sometimes.

Also, great to see a fellow Utahn on the forum. Where exactly are you in Utah?

And Welcome!!:thumbup:
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Park City.
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Cool! If you ever feel the need to fondle some extra INFI give me a shout. I've sold quite a bit of my collection but I still have a few nice pieces to give me my fix. :thumbup::p I'm just on the other side of the mountain in Lehi.

Oh, and brace your wallet for impact. These suckers are extremely addictive. :D
 
Sometimes things like that happen, but no that wasn't me =) But as we can all see, Garth is the man!
I'd say if you are going to use it, then there is nothing to worry about. If you are going to safe queen it, then you may want it perfect if after a while it still annoys you.
To be honest with you, I do have some older Busse that are not dead mint perfect but I would not dare send them back, some are grind marks or whatnot from the man himself and that proves that it was done by a human and does indeed give it character! So to me, it even adds value. But yours is a bit different then mine, it's your knife so it's your call. Welcome to the addiction!
Dan
 
Looks like it may have arrived from the shop like that. No big deal, it's a sweet knife, I would just make it a user and be done with it.

If not just take Garth up on his offer.
 
oeser said:
Oh, and brace your wallet for impact. These suckers are extremely addictive. :D
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Yeah... I've already found that out.
I'm going to hold at 6 pc right now (well + 3 SYKCo's).
Didn't even know I was already a HOG, I never asked for it.

Bill
 
Maniacal Pete said:
I purchased this SJTACLE from a fellow Blade Forum member as "Looks like mint to me" only to find that it had scratches near the handle that were not revealed to me before the purchase.

I'm a bit annoyed that these scratches were not mentioned during the transaction, I would not have sold the knife as mint without making sure my prospective buyer knew about them.

I'm also new at this and don't know quite how to proceed.

Esteemed members of the community, may I ask, what does this do to the value of the knife (I Paid $500 for it)?

Does it still qualify as mint?

How should this issue best be resolved?

Bill
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Bill,

This is something I have also learned, that "mint" means different things to different people (and I'm sure there are a few who intentionally overstate the condition by calling it "mint"). Any knife with scratches noticeably visible to the naked eye is not "mint". Here are some definitions of "mint" from online dictionaries:
- unused or appearing to be newly made and never used
- (of coins, postage stamps, etc) in perfect condition as issued
- in perfect condition; as if new
- unmarred as if fresh from a mint
I would call "mint" the same as virtually flawless, with maybe a very slight imperfection from the factory that is not noticeable without magnification (ex. - a very small, fine scratch). I feel if a knife has a noticeable nick or scratch and it came that way from the factory, then the defect should be disclosed and the knife not just described as "new" or "as received from the factory".

Because it was described as "mint" but clearly is not then the seller should be willing to take the knife back and give you a full refund; ask them to do so, and if they refuse you can post in the Good, Bad & Ugly forum. Good luck in resolving this.

Gene

Ps, I got distracted while writing the above, so I did not see the later posts, and I did not notice the pictures. I agree with the others that the scratches could have been from the factory, and it is certainly a nice offer from Garth to fix them. It also sounds like the seller went beyond what would be expected, so I'm glad all has worked out like it has for you.
 
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oeser said:
Cool! If you ever feel the need to fondle some extra INFI give me a shout. I've sold quite a bit of my collection but I still have a few nice pieces to give me my fix. :thumbup::p I'm just on the other side of the mountain in Lehi.

Oh, and brace your wallet for impact. These suckers are extremely addictive. :D
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Don't take Oeser up on his offer to fondle his Infi.........His collection is just sickening.........


You won't ever be satisfied if you do!


If I was going to use that SJack, I would not worry about those marks.

If I was just going to keep it in the safe, I would send it in to the shop.


When I sell, I really try to make the pics way worse than they are in real life. I will hold the knife and use the light to make it look horrible. I don't have any mint knives, although I have received several mint knives. They just don't stay that way long with me.


Love Park City. I lived in Provo for 7 years, before moving back up to Washington.
 
I also deal a lot in old skateboards and the term mint is rarely used now..most people state used, in shrink wrap, as received from factory, etc because many decks have some factory blems in the paint. When I sell knives now, I always list them as unused as received from factory/maker if that is the case instead of mint.
 
Also, once I have handled a knife more than just once upon initial receipt and inspection, I would never advertise it as mint regardless of the condition.
 
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