Just a Traditional in the woods.

First Things.

Thanks for all the reponses, and the relocating to proper forum.

Since I posted, we did a 7 mile snowshoe hike all I took was a Liner Lock GEC Pioneer - I don't own an Opinel, but its a comparable size. There was some food prep, and a bit of fire prep (carving fuzz sticks, no batoning or limbing) for tea. The knife was fine - but I got to thinking;

not so easy to open, use, or close in gloves.
Had I a need to process more fire materials...it'd gotten more inconvenient.
If it were time to clean fish etc. Food prep would have become more - fishy?

When I've carried a fixed blade in the past it's run the gamut from a White River Knucklehead neck knife, to a Spyderco Temperance 2, to a Bark River Cumberland Trail or Bark River Canadian Camp Knife. I'm thinking that for five days worth - One of those will be coming along.

And the Leatherman Micra will be getting put back in the bag.

Like its been mentioned - going with one is great.

But I am here on Bladeforums, and I am a Knife and Gear nut - best to stay true to myself and be a little more comfortable and prepared.

Thanks again for everyone's $.02

No better way to figure out what you need. For my decision making, it is a simple examination of the direct relationshp of risk to capability. I would consider your 7 mile, wnter snowshoe hike a moderate to high risk and would have added at least a sturdy fixed blade. But thats also because the state of my back and knees makes my calculation and decision more risk averse. YMMV.

For folders, that gec is nice. Throw a pic up. I like an open-framed, OHO folder like my buck vantage avid. Easy deployment and cleanup, cheap and slicey ;)

Great thread. Thx.

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First Things.

Thanks for all the reponses, and the relocating to proper forum.

Since I posted, we did a 7 mile snowshoe hike all I took was a Liner Lock GEC Pioneer - I don't own an Opinel, but its a comparable size. There was some food prep, and a bit of fire prep (carving fuzz sticks, no batoning or limbing) for tea. The knife was fine - but I got to thinking;

not so easy to open, use, or close in gloves.
Had I a need to process more fire materials...it'd gotten more inconvenient.
If it were time to clean fish etc. Food prep would have become more - fishy?

When I've carried a fixed blade in the past it's run the gamut from a White River Knucklehead neck knife, to a Spyderco Temperance 2, to a Bark River Cumberland Trail or Bark River Canadian Camp Knife. I'm thinking that for five days worth - One of those will be coming along.

And the Leatherman Micra will be getting put back in the bag.

Like its been mentioned - going with one is great.

But I am here on Bladeforums, and I am a Knife and Gear nut - best to stay true to myself and be a little more comfortable and prepared.

Thanks again for everyone's $.02

Yeah you're the only one that can decide what is best. I've yet to need scissors or pliers so what other people in this thread find invaluable is extra weight for me.

I did want to add that you should keep in mind that summer is a whole different time of year. In summer I usually just carry what I want to play with because my cutting needs drop to near 0. Dry with lows in the mid 50's your priorities go from fire(easy when dry) and shelter building to just getting enough water in you. A slippy is fine for that kind of weather/time of year.
 
For many years when hiking/backpacking/climbing, i would carry just a SAK after noticing that was all most folks carried. I was a young guy wanting to fit in to that community so I stopped carrying a fixed blade because no one i backpacked/climbed with did. I caved in to reverse peer pressure. I suspect because most backpackers depend on the camping gear they carry with them, a slippie or SAK is all they think they need - until something BAD happens. I gravitated back to my roots a few years ago and now always carry a fixed blade.
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My advice, take a small fixed blade. An Izula will *never* fold up and cut you.

I think this is a bit overstated.

Something bad can and sometime does happen climbing or mountaineering. It's not as if the likes of Messner, Chouinard, Fletcher, Townsend and Jardine were out there wondering around and ill equipped to deal with the badness just because they weren't carrying a fixed blade knife.

And nothing wrong with depending on a stove or a tent or a good parka or mittens any more than it is to depend on a good knife. It's all equipment.

One thing that may be at play here is the assumption of the availability of wood. Above treeline, that's not an option. In terms of trip planning for destinations in the lower 48 where significant amounts of human traffic can be assumed, daily harvesting of wood for shelter and fire isn't a realistic option either. Once you've made the commitment to carrying stoves and tents, which includes the ability to maintain and fix them in bad situations, it's not at all wrong to rely on them.

Really, really want to emphasize that I don't think carrying a fixed blade is a bad thing in any way. I should note that a nice old Schrade H-15 with a 5" blade has worked it's way into my "essentials" bag. But that's because I really dig old Schrades and don't mind the extra weight just for the grins. But needed for safe winter winter travel? Not so much, imo.

Last thing to say... on this. As much as I dig fixed blades for the fun of it, mine ends up riding in my pack. I don't want one danging off my neck and belt carry is out of the question when carrying a pack. That's one reason I prefer a nice light locking folder. That can ride in pants/short pocket all the time. Never off my person that way.

All good stuff. Interesting the different POVs we bring to it.
 
I'd carry atleast two - but then I pretty much carry two of everything just incase

saying that I usually carry 4-5 but thats just cause its a good excuse to play...
 
I think this is a bit overstated.

We're all entitled to our opinion and in many ways I usually agree with you :D - but if I may, I must disagree here. Simply put, I think you're reading too much into what I'm communicating.

Something bad can and sometime does happen climbing or mountaineering. It's not as if the likes of Messner, Chouinard, Fletcher, Townsend and Jardine were out there wondering around and ill equipped to deal with the badness just because they weren't carrying a fixed blade knife.

I'm not well-read on all of their collective adventures, but I suspect Reinhold (my personal mountaineering "hero"), Yvon, Ray or Marc (of Marc "Doctor Doom" Twight fame) and if we're name dropping, nor would have Alex (of Alex Lowe fame) nor Conrad Anker, Steve House, Lou Whittaker, Jon Krakauer et al would have carried a knife for their alpine play. Maybe some of the folks in late 19th though even as late as the mid-twentieth century would have, but i'm not that well-read to know. In any event, these folks were/are world-class athletes and a night out above tree-line without fire was simply part of the play and usually well within their physical capacity to survive.

For most of the rest of world (at least in the US) who backpack/camp/climb for leisure (aka not required as it is a normal part of their life nor part of their job), fire-making, minimal food prep and the occasional "problem solving" is most usually (best?) achieved with a proper tool and usually a knife fits in there somewhere. In fact, iirc, Colin Fletcher included in his book on backpacking (Walking or something similar....) the 10 Essentials among which is included a simple SAK or similar. While many average folks *can* survive a night or two out, it will leave an indelible mark on them. In my experience, a folding knife requires a little more of my attention to ensure it doesn't fold back onto my fingers - even locking knives. Even my outstanding CS American Lawman keeps some of my attention.... A fixed blade allows me the extra comfort of not worrying about that....

As humans, we all depend on tools of some sort to live. Our ability to actually adapt to conditions outside of our comfort range is meager for any longer duration of time - dependent, of course, on how far from "normal" the conditions are, the individual's physical/mental condition, overall health, etc ad nauseam.

And nothing wrong with depending on a stove or a tent or a good parka or mittens any more than it is to depend on a good knife. It's all equipment.

Again, i wholly agree. However, I didn't make a judgement about depending strictly on gear (tent/stove/parka/mittens - even knives!), rather my insinuation is that uninformed dependency is ill advised. If you've done any mountaineering, you already know than an 'unplanned bivy' is nearly inevitable over the course of time and nearly always unpleasant.

One thing that may be at play here is the assumption of the availability of wood. Above treeline, that's not an option. In terms of trip planning for destinations in the lower 48 where significant amounts of human traffic can be assumed, daily harvesting of wood for shelter and fire isn't a realistic option either. Once you've made the commitment to carrying stoves and tents, which includes the ability to maintain and fix them in bad situations, it's not at all wrong to rely on them.

Really, really want to emphasize that I don't think carrying a fixed blade is a bad thing in any way. I should note that a nice old Schrade H-15 with a 5" blade has worked it's way into my "essentials" bag. But that's because I really dig old Schrades and don't mind the extra weight just for the grins. But needed for safe winter winter travel? Not so much, imo.

Last thing to say... on this. As much as I dig fixed blades for the fun of it, mine ends up riding in my pack. I don't want one danging off my neck and belt carry is out of the question when carrying a pack. That's one reason I prefer a nice light locking folder. That can ride in pants/short pocket all the time. Never off my person that way.

All good stuff. Interesting the different POVs we bring to it.

I enjoy your 'take' on things Pinnah! It's good we don't agree on everything - at 47 i still have much to learn...

Jenner515 - i hope you have a great 5-dayer!!! I'm glad to read you are planning to bring along a fixed-blade. If you make a fire while you're out I'm sure, as you already know, it will indeed prove itself very useful. As an aside, I used my Leatherman Wave to re-construct a broken tent pole once on a solo hike. So for me, something with pliers is invaluable and i'm glad to see you're at least bringing along something that can "grip" - even if you will have to be very creative to accomplish that type of use. You never know when a snowshoe binding may unexpectedly "pop" or a hiking pole may become stuck at an undesirable length....
 
I'm not sure if this goes here or Wilderness and Survival et al.

Been Dayhiking with just a traditional folder recently. Most days its either a GEC Missouri Lockback or Pioneer. For a minimal amount of food prep it's been plenty.

Planning a longer hike/camping/fishing trip this summer for 5 days in RMNP. Would you or could you -should I- attempt this with just one Traditional Folder?

If so, what would ya'all take? And Why?

Thanks for your time,

I've done month-long backcountry trips with nothing more than a folding knife. Of course, there was other gear to rely on as well, and I wasn't trying to entirely "live off the land," but it all comes down to what your needs are, and where you will be traveling. Are you planning to bring enough stove fuel (+ a little extra)? Is wood harvesting even allowed where you are going (there are many Wilderness areas, etc. where it isn't). I would say that, just like the tent, sleeping bag, etc. that you choose, put the same amount of thought and criteria into what edged tool will suit your needs for a particular trip. But yes, it can totally be done. Contrary to what you read on many survival forums, you don't need a 7" fixed blade every time you go in the woods, nor even most of the time.
 
I live on the front range about 30 miles away from RMNP. I generally don't camp there because the rules are much more restrictive than nearby National Forest. That said, judging by the way this winter is shaping up, you won't need an axe or large knife for batoning. There will be no open fires in RMNP this summer. Too dry. A traditional will be fine.
 
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For a traditional folder with a long blade (food prep) you could look at the opinel #8 and the French laguiole knives. Both designs have evolved in an environment where pocketknives are still used to this day as primary personal eating utensils.

As for fire prep pinnah has some excellent point with regards to hiking trails and the high alpine stuff. It would be pretty uncool if everyone hiking those trails went mr bushcraft every night starting fires, cutting wood and building brush shelters. The trails would quickly become an eyesore.

When off the beaten path or in emergency fire prep I like a long blade (6-8 inches) that can be used to split fairly big pieces of wood. The blade does not have to be thick and heavy, just long enough. That being said a folding buck saw and some (improvised) wedges is probably a more weight efficient tool for the job. And having a small pencil sharpener to make kindling with might be a good investment considering the minimal weight.
 
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We're all entitled to our opinion and in many ways I usually agree with you :D - but if I may, I must disagree here. Simply put, I think you're reading too much into what I'm communicating.

Very well could be the case. If so, I apologize.

I enjoy your 'take' on things Pinnah! It's good we don't agree on everything - at 47 i still have much to learn...

We're close to the same age. With respect to be outside, I've come believe that there are definitely wrong ways of doing things. Wrong ways get people hurt or damage the land needlessly.

But I've also come to believe that there are precious few ways of doing things that are so "right" that everybody should do it exactly that way. Instead, I see a lot of ways of doing things that are not wrong.

I didn't mean to name drop in mentioning Chouinard or Fletcher. Only meant to demonstrate that the ways they do things is not wrong.

You, me and and Carl (aka Jacknife) make a good trio on this matter. In the Traditional forum, Carl has argued that people should learn how to use slip joints safely so that they don't close them on their fingers. He's not wrong. I prefer locking folders as I find them easier to carry while being more secure in my hands. I'm not wrong either. And you prefer a fixed blade. That's not wrong either.

And if your use of a fixed blade raises the eyebrows or eire of a "Ray-Way" ultralight hiking zealot, well, perhaps they could stand to try to learn a bit from another outdoor school of thought. Conversely, if a bushcraft enthusiast asserts that you shouldn't travel in the winter wilderness without a fixed blade knife, well, same thing. Like you said, we have a lot to learn from each other.
 
Well said, Pinnah. Adhering to dogma is arguably just as dangerous as poor equipment choices, and there are lots of different approaches to being in the outdoors to learn from.
 
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