Just before seeing the Opinel Goes Modern thread I was thinking. Dangerous Right?

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I was thinking that after buying about seven different modern knives from Spyderco, CRKT and Cold Steel that although they have their uses and etc. I still love the traditional and fixed style more.

I won't be getting rid of my modern knives but I have just determined that I'm going to stick with buying traditionals.

I love the woods the bones and artsy craftsmanship of the old timey styles. That being said Last week I bought a new design AG Russell Single Blade Sowbelly Wharnecliffe in Yellow Delrin. Love those curves and the feel of delrin (got a couple of case slimlines in yellow delrin).

GEC is my next buy (#23 or #72 in some kinda wood, there are so many, I still can't make up my mind).

That's how I'm feeling. How about the rest of you?
 
I always get in trouble when I think.

But I'm with you, love the woods and bones. They push some button in me that the modern stuff does not. Same for guns and some other stuff. Traditions are a good thing.

Carl.
 
But I'm with you, love the woods and bones. They push some button in me that the modern stuff does not.

Absolutely.

I appreciate more modern ergonomics and efficiency (I recently held a Spyderco Delica for the first time, and was very impressed), and also enjoy updated takes on older themes (Purple Haze, anyone?!), but there's nothing quite like natural materials on a traditional pattern.

~ P.
 
Over the last few years I have been in the same roller coaster. Now I just carry both a traditional combined with an other modern design knife depending on what I'm doing. For example on the weekend I may add a hard use folder if I'm doing yard work. Going camping typically means adding a modern fixed blade along with my traditional.
 
I concur. My feeling is that if you have one or two tactical folder, the rest are all kind of the same. They are mostly without charm, to me.

It seems that today, the focus is more on high performance materials under extreme conditions. People eat it up and imagine themselves in these extreme tactical situations. It's all fantasy, too. Just like the gun nuts with their "bug out bags" full of ammo and guns, in case the terrorists somehow come and surprise us with a big stealth army. Or all hell breaks loose after a natural disaster, and people have to defend themselves against other people who went nuts.

For those of us who kept our heads a humble traditional design is all we need, and there's also a bit of hand-polished beauty and old world craftsmanship to observe.

No offense intended to the preppers out there.
 
I must be getting old cause I'm really liking the traditional thing ;). Five years ago my slip joint collection was just about non-existant. These days I'm buying more than the modern style and enjoying the heck out of them :thumbup:. They tend to be a little cheaper too :D. As a carry knife it's still hard to beat a Spyderco but with jeans a clipless knife works as well or better for me.
 
I've rid my collection of moderns and tacticals quite some time ago. They just never had that soul and common sense usefullness that traditionals do.
 
I have basically switched completely to traditionals. I still own a few modern knives that have been gifted to me or have some good memories attached to them. But like many here, I basically only carry traditionals. They just feel much more special to me
 
I concur. My feeling is that if you have one or two tactical folder, the rest are all kind of the same. They are mostly without charm, to me.

It seems that today, the focus is more on high performance materials under extreme conditions. People eat it up and imagine themselves in these extreme tactical situations. It's all fantasy, too. Just like the gun nuts with their "bug out bags" full of ammo and guns, in case the terrorists somehow come and surprise us with a big stealth army. Or all hell breaks loose after a natural disaster, and people have to defend themselves against other people who went nuts.

For those of us who kept our heads a humble traditional design is all we need, and there's also a bit of hand-polished beauty and old world craftsmanship to observe.

No offense intended to the preppers out there.

Exactly!

I've felt for a long time that this extreme tactical thing is an artificially created market for the sole purpase of making money of of highly hyped Walter Mitty factacys. If indeed the Chinese paratroopers landed this afternoon, or the horde of drug crazed bikers swarm your property after an astroid hits the earth, it's not going to make much difference what knife is in your pocket. Even our uncles and fathers who made it through WW2, usually he just had a pocket knife on him. Somehow, my Uncle Charlie walked from Normandy to Germany with a Camillus TL-29 in his pocket. The only other blade on him was the bayonet for his M1. Said he really didn't need anything more, and he didn't want to carry what he didn't absolutely need.

I've led a pretty normal life, not one of crisis or danger, but I have been to a war. I never needed more than my Buck stockman. I spent most of my life as a married soccer dad with a mini van of kids, then grandkids. But the one time, the one single time I had to act in a real world crisis involving an auto accident, my stockman pocket knife did very well. More than well, even in an upside down burning car, it was nice for an instant to have a choice of blades. Cutting a franticly thrashing panicked woman out of her seat belt, it was nice to be able to pick the sheepsfoot blade to cut her seat belt so she wouldn't impale herself as she dropped almost on top of me.

I guess some people can rationalize the high speed low drag knives that look good in a movie, but are as useful as a Ferrari to run to the grocery store. Most people over think it. It's a knife, it's made to cut things. That's it. It's not Arthur's famed Excalibur, or james Bowie's knife. We're office workers and tradesmen living in a real world were there's work to be done. A practical knife is never a bad idea. Unless you're taking on Chinese paratroopers. :D

Carl.
 
I just switced back to my Large Regular Plain Sebenza this week. No comparison the traditionals take the cake for looks, charm, comfort, pocket friendly and especially that warm feel.

With that said I like them both. But I'm comparing a true high quality no bull slicing and dicing modern to my traditionals.
 
Yup, I'm an old fogey too... so I guess that's part of it. (61 but still think like a kid of 6 years old at times) Toys are fun but the old standbys still are what I prefer to get the job done.
 
I posted a longer version of my thoughts on this in the other modern Opinel #8 Outdoor thread, so I won't on at length. But IME, light stainless bladed folders have a well earned spot in the kits of backcountry and wilderness settings where ounces count and the knife is likely to be stored wet for extended periods of time.

I carry traditionals for EDC use. Today, it's a Buck 500 in the right front pocket and my Opinel #9 (modified drop point and easy open) as a back up in my PDA/cell phone case. But last weekend on a ski trip, I carried my Buck 482. It's sitting in my day pack as I write this and it (weather permitting) be used on another backcountry ski tour this coming weekend. The 482 is in the middle of this pile. Not pretty. Doesn't get used for EDC or shop use. But, it's earned it's way into my "10 essentials" ditty bag that goes with me on any hike or ski tour.


Folders by Pinnah, on Flickr
 
I vary, and not just in knves. I enjoy traditionals and I enjoy modern knives. I own, and use, modern and rawhides snowshoes. My winter coats consist of both Gore-tex/thinsulate and 100 percent wool varieties. Boots, yep syhetic as well as all leather. My hunting rifles are a model 94 30-30 (no scope), and a stainless barrel .308 with a Swarovski scope. What can I say? I don't fit in with any one group. :confused:
 
We are all knife addicts here. Whatever the drug, we still get our fix. I don't need all of the slipjoints I have, they just feed the addiction better than the one hand openers these days. Although my favorites are my bushcraft fixed blades and slipjoints, I still carry some modern folders. I got over the whole tactical effect really quick, but stuck around for the tacticool. The only modern folders I have right now are Chris Reeves (3), Benchmades (4), Spydercos (5) and a Zero Tolerance. Could turn them into a lot of slipjoints ;)
 
My biggest problem with a lot of modern knives is they try too hard to look different and often do so at the expense of ergonomics or good solid function. They trade in a bit of practicality for a bit of glamour.

One of the elements that appeals too me in many tools is what I like to call "functional beauty." We've all seen a piece that exudes this quality. It is when you see a knife or tool stripped down to its barest elements and streamlined for efficiency. Every curve is just right. No more and no less than what's needed anywhere on it, and its simplicity of form belies the incredible complexity of the thought that went into determining that final shape. For those that do not understand the tool, they may call it plain and boring. But those who DO understand the tool nearly weep at its beauty.

Many older traditional patterns exhibit this quality to a very good degree. They retain the wisdom that went into the development of their original and traditional form. This is something lacking in many (though not all!) modern-styled knives.
 
I love all knives that I own, from choppers to slipjoints. My collection is all about diversity, and as many discover the amount of diversity available in slipjoints is nearly endless. I am constantly learning more and more, and am finally understanding how the construction of these knives was carried out, and the complexities of such a seemingly simple task. Changing one element of a design has such wide ranging implications, and that is very interesting to me.

I have recently discovered why I balked at collecting slipjoints for so long. In my mind they were always relegated to backup knife status. They were small, thin bladed knives for tasks like cleaning nails and trimming string. Growing up on the farm we had I carried a Buck 110 sized folder or small fixed blade bowie or something of the like. A larger slipjoint meant for work wasn't part of our culture- hunting knife sizes predominated. So in my mind the slipjoints were kept for the times you did not have other knives. We didn't partake in dressing up, so there were no "Sunday" knives to speak of.

Reading this forum and trying to understand the passion obviously shared throughout here brought the knives to my attention. This was a section of knife collecting that I had room for both spatially and monetarily, but needed to find a use for them as I use my knives. I had a couple of small slipjoints already- a small jacknife from Boker, a pearl and Damascus peanut from BearMGC, but nothing that I found very useful as a good worker. I read a bit, and found the canoe calling my name. With a purchase from New Graham Knives I had them track down a stag bone Queen Canoe. I believe it took me throughout the movie Coraline to get an edge on that double bladed butter knife, but after that I took it on every outdoors trip I could, often paired with a modern clip folder, but not as much in a back up role, more in a complimentary role.

I started taking more notice of slipjoints at flea markets/antique shows/gun shows, as well as getting a couple of orders in from a couple of vendors, testing the waters of different companies. Some I was impressed with, some not so much, but I tried to give all of the various patterns a fair chance. Found that I like multiple blades for specific tasks, was not a big fan of pen blades (funny when my first major slipjoint was a canoe), but didn't really have a primary use slipjoint.

The last couple of years has been a great growth in slipjoint use for me. The primary reason was that I work in scrubs now, and clipped folders as a rule don't work the best slipped in the pocket, they seem to flop around too much for my liking. I bought an executive whittler as a graduation present for myself, and discovered that I did not mind a 4" folder as long as the profile was right. The second reason I grew in my slipjoint understanding was a fairly large number of John Lloyd knives that came into my possession. These were primarily single bladed slipjoints, which I did not have, but more significantly they were long enough to be seen as primary use blades. I carried and got used to the feel of them in my scrubs, and finally I had slipjoints long enough for food prep and other tasks I found smaller slipjoints could not perform to my liking.

Then I had to get in a custom clipped folder recently, that seemed very light in hand. I started weighing my slipjoints to compare it to, and found that I was surprised at how heavy some of them are. Now I have another factor to consider.............

In the end, its often easier to just let my daughter choose what I'll use for the day- everything seems capable enough and with so much selection I have to go through each one eventually anyways. Sometimes it's fun to pair a custom clipped folder with an old school beater some farmer must have carried for years, damascus/burl wood/titanium next to old worn and chipped bone/patina/worn down blade. It is also interesting thinking about what uses each blade got through the day.
 
Personally, I don't understand why you have to put yourself in one camp or the other. I like traditionals as well as modern designs. I'm not going to limit what I like to fit a certain style.
 
Personally, I don't understand why you have to put yourself in one camp or the other. I like traditionals as well as modern designs. I'm not going to limit what I like to fit a certain style.

Ding ding ding...
 
My biggest problem with a lot of modern knives is they try too hard to look different and often do so at the expense of ergonomics or good solid function. They trade in a bit of practicality for a bit of glamour.

One of the elements that appeals too me in many tools is what I like to call "functional beauty." We've all seen a piece that exudes this quality. It is when you see a knife or tool stripped down to its barest elements and streamlined for efficiency. Every curve is just right. No more and no less than what's needed anywhere on it, and its simplicity of form belies the incredible complexity of the thought that went into determining that final shape. For those that do not understand the tool, they may call it plain and boring. But those who DO understand the tool nearly weep at its beauty.

Many older traditional patterns exhibit this quality to a very good degree. They retain the wisdom that went into the development of their original and traditional form. This is something lacking in many (though not all!) modern-styled knives.
Agreed 42 Blades....like this????

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