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anyone has had any dealings with lreed?
I think I have a problem.
This is not an accusation at this time, but something is strange.
I sold this knife to him on the 9th of November.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...derco-Poice-3-G-10-PE?p=10174473#post10174473
I mailed it out on the 10th. The 11th was a Federal Holiday. He received it on the 15th.
I got this email from him yesterday.

"Robert,

Although 1 day late than USPS's estimated delivery date, the police 3G
arrived today. However, the edge is not as you described as "has
NEVER cut a thing". There is a obvious ding in the middle of the
edge, which can only be cause by hitting on something hard. I can
live with the marks on the handle, which I was expecting. But the ding
on the edge is not.

Please give me your return mailing address. I want this sale be reversed."

I have offered to refund his money, including the PP fees and the return shipping. I am losing 9.00 of the sale to do so with PP fees and shipping two ways.
The problem is, the pictures I took for the ad are time stamped. They were taken 18 minutes before the ad was posted.
As soon as PP cleared, I purchased and printed the label by PP. PP sent Yan Zhai (Virginia address) the tracking #. The mail had already went through so I sent it out on the 10th.
So I am wondering why he had to mention he got it a day late, as I can't control USPS.
Then, the statement that he would put up with a few marks on the handle. Uh, I didn't sell it as new, and even stated I carried it, and that the clip was worn to prove it.
But that "ding" part. I absolutely did not send out a blade with a "ding" in it.
It went out bubble wrapped and CLOSED! The odds that the edge was dinged during shipping is slim to none. The knife was sent was the one in the pictures, the ONLY stock Police G-10 I have ever owned!
Can anyone see a ding in the pics?
I smell a scam, and if I even GET it back to examine (and I will ONLY refund his payment + shipping if I do), I am wondering why there is a "ding". It didn't NOT go out with a ding.
I also mark every blade I sell in a way that's basically un-noticeable, so I will know if I don't get the same knife, back. This is not my first rodeo.
Am I wrong to think something is stinky here?
thanks
 
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Can't really help with your primary concern, but just a heads-up as to your "It didn't NOT go out with a ding" statement. If you meant to say that you DID send it out with a ding, then no worries, you've said it right. Otherwise.........not so much.

Good luck...............
 
Why a heads up? I told the truth about it.
It was NOT sent out with a ding. Period.
I would not even sell a knife with a "ding", it would go into the user pile.
OR I would reprofile the edge and state that very clearly if I did sell it.
No surprises from me when I sell, and I hope I get no surprises when I buy.
If a person can't stick to that premise, then I don't believe they should be selling or trading anything.
 
He's just pointing out an error in your syntax. You used a double negative. I think what you meant to say was "It did NOT go out with a ding....".


And I hope you're not being set up for a scam. Can you ask him for pics of the ding?
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
He's just pointing out an error in your syntax. You used a double negative. I think what you meant to say was "It did NOT go out with a ding....".


And I hope you're not being set up for a scam. Can you ask him for pics of the ding?
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Ahhh, got you.
I guess we have to watch that grammar on an Internet Forum, LOL.
I did ask for pics of the edge. I even sent one for him to draw a circle around to show me where the ding is. My old eyes may have missed a ding, but it would have to be SMALL!!
I have offered a full refund +.
So, hopefully, that will be enough. IF it's the same knife I sent him, or the ding is so small I can't see it without a magnifying glass, That's the end of it.
I hope it works out, but was just wondering if anyone else here at BF had any transactions with this member. And if so, was there a problem. I don't need to know the details.

I am waiting for his response as I wrote to him early this AM.
 
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Robert, I replied to your email this morning with pictures. Sorry I can't reply your 3am email promptly enough and you have to post this on this forum at ... 4:20am?!!

Anyway, the pictures I sent to you are not great, as I don't have a macro lens. But the dinged part should be sufficiently eligible in the pics. I cannot access any photo sharing sites right now from my company. Would you please upload those pics for me?

Firstly, as I explained to you in my email. The only reason I mentioned the delivery date was to let you know I just received the knife instead of been playing it for a whole day.

The pictures show the very small portion of edge that's rolled. It's visible under close inspection, and needs to be positioned with the right angle to show up in a picture (won't show up in a side-view picture). It's probably nothing to users, but I did expect a perfect edge since it's described as "has NEVER cut a thing, not even my own finger".

As I said to you in the last email, after close inspection, its position appears to match the position of a ridge in the backspacer or backspring. If you indeed never ever cut anything with its blade as you described in the original post, chances are either you accidently squeezed it too hard in you hand and never noticed, or the knife got impacted during shipping and the blade pressed on the backspacer. The knife was shipped in an envelope instead of a box.

Obviously this will not be a happy transaction for either of us. But I would be more careful and try to figure things out before making public accusations like "I smell scam" with the other party's name in it.
 
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lreed said:
....The knife was shipped in an envelope instead of a box.
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Without passing judgement on either of the users in this dispute, this is a pet peeve of mine. USPS will give you boxes for free. They will actually send them to your house for free. Sending a knife in an envelope is inexcusable to me; why would one ever chose to do it this way?
 
ooitzoo said:
Without passing judgement on either of the users in this dispute, this is a pet peeve of mine. USPS will give you boxes for free. They will actually send them to your house for free. Sending a knife in an envelope is inexcusable to me; why would one ever chose to do it this way?
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I don't think USPS provide free boxes for first class mail... Maybe I am wrong, I haven't mailed any boxes for almost a year now.
 
I see no problem shipping 1st class in padded evelopes.Wrapped well ,a knife would be difficult to damage.As for the deal in question,the buyer seems awfully picky about a knife described as used.A 2 minute sharpening sounds like it would cure all ills.Ive done a few deals with Rob and i know him to be a fair honest trader.
 
Seals said:
I see no problem shipping 1st class in padded evelopes.Wrapped well ,a knife would be difficult to damage.As for the deal in question,the buyer seems awfully picky about a knife described as used.A 2 minute sharpening sounds like it would cure all ills.Ive done a few deals with Rob and i know him to be a fair honest trader.
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Here is the thing. In the Rob's post, the knife was described as:
"This Police 3 has NEVER cut a thing, not even my own finger. I HAVE carried it. Whenever I go out, it, or my Military is clipped in my back pocket...I carry it for one reason, as a Tactical blade. Not a box opener, not an apple peeler, etc. For self defense only. I carry a separate EDC Spydy for those purposes. Thankfully, I have never had to use it. Never been sharpened, blade has no scratches. Pocket clip DOES show wear. Stupid black clip, LOL."
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Does that sound like indicating a used blade to you? What would be your expectation on that blade?

I agree it probably would only take no more than a few strokes on a sharpening rod to fix the rolled edge, but it's still under my expectation. And I think it's a reasonable expectation out of the original description.
 
lreed said:
Here is the thing. In the Rob's post, the knife was described as:


Does that sound like indicating a used blade to you? What would be your expectation on that blade?

I agree it probably would only take no more than a few strokes on a sharpening rod to fix the rolled edge, but it's still under my expectation. And I think it's a reasonable expectation out of the original description.
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While you technically did nothing wrong and it is well within your rights to reverse any trade, I personally would never deal with someone like you. Thanks for the heads up.
 
ooitzoo said:
Without passing judgement on either of the users in this dispute, this is a pet peeve of mine. USPS will give you boxes for free. They will actually send them to your house for free. Sending a knife in an envelope is inexcusable to me; why would one ever chose to do it this way?
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Well, some people know how to properly wrap an item, others don't. I've shipped knives in padded envelops and have not had anyone complain. I take the time and care to wrap an item the way I would want to receive it, no rushing, no half assed job, do it right the first time. That picture above is a rushed halfassed job, no excuse for that.
 
Ireed, I've bought a few knives on Ebay that came with rolled edges. You know what I did? I sharpened them.

Shit happens, either in production, in transit, or just from putting it down open after inspecting it. That does not give you license to be a massive douchebag. So why don't you correct your tone, accept the offered refund, and quit being an ass?

Edit: also if there is a roll on the edge, why have we not seen pics yet?
 
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Pseudonym said:
Ireed, I've bought a few knives on Ebay that came with rolled edges. You know what I did? I sharpened them.

Shit happens, either in production, in transit, or just from putting it down open after inspecting it. That does not give you license to be a massive douchebag. So why don't you correct your tone, accept the offered refund, and quit being an ass?

Edit: also if there is a roll on the edge, why have we not seen pics yet?
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Pseudonym said:
Ireed, I've bought a few knives on Ebay that came with rolled edges. You know what I did? I sharpened them.

Shit happens, either in production, in transit, or just from putting it down open after inspecting it. That does not give you license to be a massive douchebag. So why don't you correct your tone, accept the offered refund, and quit being an ass?
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I said in the very beginning that I cannot access any picture sharing sites from office network. I was hoping Rob will post them up, or I can put them up after I got home today.

And who's the douchebag here? I emailed Rob about the issue. He started this thread before figuring out any details, so I posted my side of the story here. Reckless or not, we are trying to make things straight. That doesn't make either of us a douchebag. If you have to name one in this thread ... oh well.
 
lreed said:
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Obviously this will not be a happy transaction for either of us. But I would be more careful and try to figure things out before making public accusations like "I smell scam" with the other party's name in it.
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Sorry my friend, i don't apologize for saying that, not at all.
You didn't bother to mention to mention that I had wrapped that knife in DOUBLE bubble wrap, then mailed in a 3M plastic bubble wrap mailer that I put extra packing tape on both ends of the envelope to prevent the knife from forcing it's way out.
And you never said the envelop was damaged.
And of course, you didn't mention that I made the offer of not ONLY refunding your payment and paying the PP fees for you, upon receiving the knife, BUT paying for 1st class shipping, back.
And that means on a 95.00 sale, I LOST 12.00 by doing so. 3.5% PP fees and two shipping costs at $4.00 each.
No Sir, I sent you a good blade, and now I have this problem.
Well, you'll get your money, and at least I will know what happened and can live with it.
From your tone and attitude, you will never get it, so I am not even going to try.
Nope, no apology's here.
And to top it all off, I had TWO other people wanting the knife, you were just 1st!
 
Seals said:
I see no problem shipping 1st class in padded evelopes.Wrapped well ,a knife would be difficult to damage.As for the deal in question,the buyer seems awfully picky about a knife described as used.A 2 minute sharpening sounds like it would cure all ills.Ive done a few deals with Rob and i know him to be a fair honest trader.
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Thank you Sir, for the kind words.
I make mistakes like everyone else. But, I try to treat people like I want to be treated.
I must be getting old as that sentiment doesn't seem to be very popular, these days.
 
robotech said:
Sorry my friend, i don't apologize for saying that, not at all.
You didn't bother to mention to mention that I had wrapped that knife in DOUBLE bubble wrap, then mailed in a 3M plastic bubble wrap mailer that I put extra packing tape on both ends of the envelope to prevent the knife from forcing it's way out.
And you never said the envelop was damaged.
And of course, you didn't mention that I made the offer of not ONLY refunding your payment and paying the PP fees for you, upon receiving the knife, BUT paying for 1st class shipping, back.
And that means on a 95.00 sale, I LOST 12.00 by doing so. 3.5% PP fees and two shipping costs at $4.00 each.
No Sir, I sent you a good blade, and now I have this problem.
Well, you'll get your money, and at least I will know what happened and can live with it.
From your tone and attitude, you will never get it, so I am not even going to try.
Nope, no apology's here.
And to top it all off, I had TWO other people wanting the knife, you were just 1st!
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Rob,

Really? Really? After I replied your email telling you I will not take your refund for the shipping, which I paid over $7 with insurance, you posted this?

And are you accusing me for not repeating your refund offer you already claimed in your original post? Seriously?

What I received is not a perfect edge as originally described. Don't I have the right to email you and demand to reverse the sale?

Should I, instead of emailing you at first place, just come here and post something like "Does this blade look like it never cut a thing?"

Should I throw the "smells like scam" and "something is stinky here" over your actual name? Do you think it's a proper thing to do, at 4am, without seeing any response from my side?
 
lreed said:
Rob,

Really? Really?
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Really, Really.
Do what you want, I could care less what you post or say.
I KNOW that blade was clean when I shipped it.
Now, whine and cry to mommy some more, as at this point, your baby talks means nothing to me.
You'll get your money, and if you think I was wrong in THINKING I was being scammed when I sent YOU a clean blade, and then you complain for everything from a day late in delivery when there was a Federal Holiday AND a Sunday in the four days it took, and that the handle had some "marks" in it even though the ad was VERY plain it was used, AND suddenly I have a knife with a big ding in it, eh, I could care less.
I know better and I will take it as a learning experience.
And, I am putting your name back in post one, sorry I did what you asked.

Thread closed.
 
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