Just "Discovered" Busse.. Pros/Cons?

Is the knife five times better? Who cares. It's incredibly good, and I get great pleasure from using such a good knife.

It's too big? I've been carrying/using knives with 7" blades since I was 17 (1989), my first was a Chris Reeve Shadow 7", and I have no problem carrying, using, or finding fun/useful things to do with a knife this size. If I want to do fine work I use a 4" Northwoods Willow Leaf.
 
Exellent knives, but you are paying a little for the priveledge of owning. Busse and other makes like Microtech intentionally limit the number of knives they make.
 
The North Carolina Knifemakers Guild offers this definition of a knife.

knife (nif) a cutting instrument consisting essentially of a thin sharp-edged blade set in a handle.

As such I would say a number of Busse's don't qualify as knives since
these have the thickest edge I have ever seen.
Again, more like an axe fashioned to look like a knife.
 
averageguy said:
The North Carolina Knifemakers Guild offers this definition of a knife.

knife (nif) a cutting instrument consisting essentially of a thin sharp-edged blade set in a handle.

As such I would say a number of Busse's don't qualify as knives since
these have the thickest edge I have ever seen.
Again, more like an axe fashioned to look like a knife.

You continually to bring this up every time a Busse topic is mentioned on the General forum. I have to admit you are persistent, however I really wonder how many Busse knives you have ever handled, let alone used.

If you want a thin Busse they are out there, he's made Fillet knives in the past. There are the ZT series, extremely thin edges, there are the hollow ground Desert Defenders, Active Duties, how about the NICK kitchen knife. There are some that are ground thicker than others but obviously those are the only ones you ever care to bring up. If you really wanted a thin Busse you sure wouldn't have to look far, however, it is obvious you really don't want to know about these because this would ruin your "thick Busse" argument

And, honestly speaking the "thick" edge theory comes from how the edge used to be applied(asymmetrically), not the fact that they were actually any thicker than any other heavy duty knife. You really need to move on because your argument is just plain false.

And, if they don't cut so well, how was it they cut over 2700 pieces of 1" hemp at a live demo at Blade show. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ry Busse rope cutting Blade Show&pagenumber=1

How about you try that with one of your "thin" knives and see how many pieces you can cut.
 
I've owned a Basic 7 - the complete ZT set and most recently an SR Desert Jack.
They have all had the thickest edges I have ever seen on a knife.

INFI is a fine steel, but from what I've seen Busse would be able to cut costs for themselves and consumers if they merely profiled their blades from 1/8" stock - no grind - and edged it. Nice fat edge and most of the strength.
 
:) Let's see how long I can get away with this: :)

I backed into BFC several years ago. Shortly after that I backed into the Busse forum here. Shortly after that I bought my first Busse.... then my second Busse.... and so on, and so on, and so on. I owned models ranging from the BM-E (which I detested) through the Active Duty, and pretty well covered the size spectrum available at that time.

After comparing Busse to the other knives I own/owned, here's what I think:

1) INFI is a dead-tough steel and you can't hurt it (more later, in #3)

2) Like most tough steels, it doesn't hold an acute cutting edge through the work I typically use a knife for. (;) Settle down, guys, I'm not done yet.) MOST of my outdoor knife work involves skinning animals, with camp-type chores thrown in. My Groove Master, My Active Duty, and my beloved Satin Jack ALL let me down on animals. None of them would skin elk, deer, or even antelope without losing the cutting ability they had when I started the task; on elk, I had to stop and sharpen the AD halfway through dressing and skinning out a big bull. I think wild game dressing/skinning is one of the fastest ways to dull a knife, and I've never seen anyone do a meaningful comparison in that area. So, I drifted away from Busses for my typical outdoor needs because it was too much like trying to hunt elk with a shotgun: it was the wrong tool for the job.

3) On one of those trips, a buddy of mine was using my Groove Master to skin a rabbit we'd popped on the way home. Like an idiot, he hacked through the rabbit and into the rim of a 55 gallon drum set up at camp. Knocked a hell of a ding out of the drum... and there was the tiniest, just-barely perceptible little roll in the edge of the knife. That's a tough steel, and if that's what you're after then you won't find a better knife.

4) Customer Service: Well..... I've had stuff stuck at the Busse shop, whether a new knife or one sent back for work. I never found their service folks to be evasive, I never found them to be unconcerned, and they never failed to make my problem right. Some folks tell different stories: My experiences always resulted in a positive outcome for me.

And top THIS: I sent two knives in for reprofiling, and that ultimately would have been a much more time-consuming and expensive task than I thought (or was originally told.) Jerry Busse called me to talk about it, and when he found out I was out of town - visiting my Mom in the hospital - he went out of his way to track me down. When he found me the FIRST thing he did was ask how my Mom was doing; we got around to knives a few minutes after that. Now I'd swapped email and some prior phone conversations with him on several occasions, but never has another manufacturer made an effort like that. He may come across a little flashy, but he always did me right without hesitation. And... sometimes he went WAY out of his way to do it.

5) I don't think knives should predominately be choppers. I don't think knives need to be indestructible at the expense of slicing and cutting ability. I accept that under specific circumstances I'd be damn glad to have one that absolutely could not break. I believe that most times what I really need is one that I don't have to stop and resharpen, halfway through a bull elk, in the middle of an after-dark snow storm, on the side of a mountain.

6) I will always own at least one Busse, and it'll probably be one of the bigger ones. I won't use it much because for 98% of my knife work I want long-lasting, wicked-sharp edges on my knives; I think other steels do that better than INFI does. However, when I need a knife that will hack through trees, barb-wire, 55 gallon drums, or anything else I stumble across... and then manage to at least limp through the slicing tasks, I'll grab the Busse and be damn glad I have it.

I don't go out of my way to break knives, and I don't set up controlled tests to compare knives. I'm a rabid, generally successful hunter; I'm a rabid, frequent camper; I use knives hard for both of those things. I think Jerry Busse's a great guy with good intentions; I think he makes the closest thing to an indestructible knife that you'll find, and I'll always own one of 'em. Most of the time, however, I'm better served with a product designed for a different set of criteria.

Pisses me off, too, 'cause I think Busses are just... cool as hell. :cool:
 
i don't know anything about skinning animals so i won't act like i do but i have handled a swamp rat safari skinner and this looks like a great hunting knife to me. plus with D2 steel it should have excellent edge holding capabilities.

imo as someone who has some busses i like the thick blades best and i think many of the guys that buy a heck of alot more than me like them as well. given the choice of getting a 1/8 or 1/4 and up i'll go for the thicker everytime.
 
I like thick blades that are ground to a useable edge.

My point was that if you are only grinding to a thick edge, why not just profile some 1/8" stock and edge it - no need to grind - very strong and a lot cheaper.

Probably a better cutting tool also since the blade never increases in width behind that edge.
 
The only con I see is that they don't come with a sheath. I understand their philosophy behind not supplying a sheath but I disagree with it.

Great knives and worth the money.
 
It was possible to order a sheath with the FSHs, so maybe the optional sheath will return on a regular basis. It's certainly a good way to reduce your initial cost, and gives you time to see what kind of sheath would suit you and the knife best.
 
averageguy said:
I like thick blades that are ground to a useable edge.

My point was that if you are only grinding to a thick edge, why not just profile some 1/8" stock and edge it - no need to grind - very strong and a lot cheaper.

Probably a better cutting tool also since the blade never increases in width behind that edge.

I have some Busse's and Swamp Rat's that I've re-ground the edges to be very thin. They cut like lasers, and hold their edge for a very long time. They out cut my Mora's hands down, although I don't cut binding materials very much. I know a lot of folks don't like to hear that, but it's true. I feel that this combination gives me the best of both worlds.

I like the thicker blades for their strength in cutting materials such as wood, where I might be twisting it also. Keep in mind, my SR Bandicoot is only 3/16 or so, not like it's 1/2 in thick or anything.

I have found most knife makers grind their edges too thick for my liking, not just Busse. I didn't find Busse knives to be ground any thicker than most others, though.

Great knives!
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Before I only wanted cheap knives. After three months on this forum, I want all of the expensive knives. Sheesh!
No kidding! I thought I had lost my mind for buying a $60 knife and after being here for awhile, all the knives I want are well over the $100 mark. I still can't see buying a $450 CRK folder though.
 
I agree with what Rainmaker said, I like my Busse's but don't take them hunting. I use a TOPS Cougar Claw in 1095, but I am making a similar knife for myself out of Ed Fowler style 52100 steel. It cuts great and holds an edge forever. Because the Swamp Rat line uses a modified 52100 they should be a good hunting knife and hold an edge for at least two Elk.
 
great knives and worth their price tag. There's been numerous stories where Busses were used to perforum non-knife like functions in emergency and they held up and saved lives. These are mostly heavy duty knives and if that's what you need, Busses are great choice. Not to mention great customer service and warranty.
 
averageguy said:
My point was that if you are only grinding to a thick edge, why not just profile some 1/8" stock and edge it - no need to grind - very strong and a lot cheaper.
1/8" thick behind the edge is 0.125". The Basic I had was ~0.035 with an included edge angle of ~35 degrees. The Ergo Battle Mistress I had on loan from Luke was similar, ~0.038, and his Badger Attack was only 0.032 after he made the edge wider, so NIB it was thinner still, my SHBM was similar, the camp tramp was thicker at ~0.058 but at a similar acute angle.

Not only are these all far under 1/8", but many of the tactical knifemakers promoted for having efficient edges are significantly more obtuse and/or thicker. Yes of course strictly light use knives are ground with thinner edges. You would not expect a Steel Heart to have the same edge profile as a skinner.

As noted if the edges are not to your preference, Busse has already stated they will gladly modify them for you.

-Cliff
 
And to speak to the limited offerings on the Busse site, that was the reason that the Busse Company Store was brought into existance.

When a model was offered, the company store will stock (hopefully) enough to handle first market sales for the months until that model is offered again.

That allows the shop to start on the next model, and the next, and the next.

I hope that clarifies the thought, which flows like:

Open order window -
close window -
make to orders from order timeframe window PLUS sufficient to handle anticipated demand (through Compnay Store) until re-offered PLUS show stock.
 
Infi is by far the best steel I've ever seen on knives. It holds an edge for a sick long time and very rust-resistant. I have an AS with blood on it sitting in closet for half a year and only got some very superfacial stains and be removed by just a few stroke on a leather belt.

However, one thing I feel not so well about is the grinding. My previous AS's grind is a little bit not straight near the choil. And when I read in an online document comparing the infi and CS's carbon V (sorry I can't find it now, if anyone can find it, please let me know, thx), it mentions the structure of infi under electron-microscope looks very impressive, but the structure is kind of destroyed near the edge, and says it might be the high temperature in grinding. I would admit that this concern in busse's grinding is a main hesitation for me to get another busse knife.


about the rotating scheme, I think the reasons for busse to have that wierd rotating production scheme could be:

1. It makes production easier. The guys working in Busse can focus on only a few models, which I believe will increase their efficiency and make management easier.

2. They require less models of steel stocks from their supplier at one time so that they can have a lower stock of these things, which I believe will lower Busse's cost.

3. AFAIK, busse doesn't have any local or online dealer. I see on this forum that a lot of busses are distributed out from its fans. As Jerry has mentioned when Busse announced this rotating schem, that this scheme will also help owners selling their busses, can I say that it also has considerations on the sales department?
 
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