Just got my 112!! My compliments to New Graham Knives

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steve-in-kville

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I placed my order Wednesday night and this morning (Saturday) it arrived.

The knife is better than I expected. This knife feels nice in the hand and the blade comes very sharp. The holster is also sturdy. This will become my EDC whenever a sheathed knife is acceptable. Its already on my belt!

And if you folks have never ordered from New Graham, please check them out. I have been buying from them for nearly 10 years. Their service is top-notch and real people are there to talk to when needed. I never price check anywhere else anymore. I just buy from Graham.
 
Congratulations, I am sure you will love that 112! I love the way the 112 carries on the belt, it’s like it’s not even there; carries much better for me on a belt than my 110’s. Enjoy it.
 
Could you post a picture of it? What are you guys talking about calling a 112 a sheathed knife? DM
 
Wear the Pocket of your Jeans out if you carry it in there --- you 'have' to carry it on your Belt.! {Don't cha}?
 
Yes.

It comes with a sheath. You'd think David M. would KNOW that. He's not exactly a Newbie.

:D
 
Of course Mr. Martin knows that the 112 comes with a sheath. :rolleyes: I believe that he was refering to the following quotes from two dictionarys:

"A sheath knife is a fixed bladed knife that fits in an either leather or material (nylon, kevlar, leather etc. ) sheath for protection of the knife and carrier.The blades vary in size, shape and construction."

"sheath knife noun :
a knife having a fixed blade and designed to be carried in a sheath"


While the 112 has a sheath, but doesn't fall into the usual catagory accepted by many as a "sheath knife".
 
Odd that some would not consider a knife that comes with a sheath to be a sheath knife.

I don't know what else you would call it.

:D
 
To my mind, a sheath is like a scabbard and directly covers the blade while a holster is a more generic terms for a case to carry a tool (handgun, pliers, knife, cell phone).

In this vein, the 112 comes with a holster. When I hear "sheath knife" I think of a knife that requires the use of a sheath to keep the blade protected when carried - that is, a fixed blade knife. Words have overlap and so "sheath" and "holster" often get used interchangeably, but to my mind, I think the association with "sheath knife" and fixed blade is correct.

The Schrade 5OT which has a teeny 2.75" blade (similar to a Buck 501) and the standard Leatherman both came/come with leather sheaths/holsters and I would never call either of them a sheath knife. Wouldn't call my 112 or 500 sheath knives either, and I have sh^H^Hholsters for both of them too.
 
I guess I'm just old school myself. The first thing that comes to mind when someone says or I read "sheath knife", is a fixed blade and not a folder in a belt sheath..
 
Well, I'll go with what Buck says........nothing about a "holster" here.
I think holsters are more of a gun thing.
:D


12BRS-B Ranger®
Available: Yes
Blade Length: 3" (7.6 cm)
Blade Material: 420HC Stainless Steel
Carry System: Black leather sheath
Handle Material: Macassar Ebony Dymondwood
Length Closed: 4 1/4" (10.8 cm)
Locking: Yes
 
These guys are looking for volunteers. This page is only a stub and needs to be expanded. But, it looks like they're off in the wrong direction. :D

"A sheath knife is a fixed bladed knife that fits in an either leather or material (nylon, kevlar, leather etc. ) sheath for protection of the knife and carrier."

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheath_knife
 
Yes, thats the thinking that went thru my mind when I read his post as I've not heard it stated in that manner. Still a picture of his 112 would help get us back on track and see what he's talking about. DM
 
I think they probably work for New Graham Knives, so their little commercial plug was probably their only reason for stopping by.

David, your question was........

What are you guys talking about calling a 112 a sheathed knife?
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I'll break it down for you.

The poster's original statement was:
This will become my EDC whenever a sheathed knife is acceptable.
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In this context, the poster is saying that carrying a knife in a visible belt sheath is sometimes unacceptable and we can infer from the context that he refers to issues of social acceptability or work rules.

When these restrictions are invoked, he would probably choose to carry a pocket knife (which is carried in a pocket and thus concealed from the view of those who might be offended or uncomfortable with someone carrying a knife).

He could also carry the 112 in a pocket, without the sheath. At that point it would still be a sheath knife being carried in a pocket instead of its sheath. It also might tend to wear out the pocket, as someone previously mentioned, because it is a fairly large and heavy knife (which is, of course, why it is issued with a sheath in the first place).

He could also carry the 112 in a pocket in its sheath, but that might be a bit bulky.

In more general terms of referring to a 112 as a "sheathed" knife, one could say:

Sheathed 112 = A 112 that is in its sheath.

Unsheathed 112 = A 112 that has been removed from its sheath.

To review.....a 112 that has been removed from its sheath--can be carried in a pocket like a pocket knife instead of a sheath knife, thus becoming far less obtrusive and (potentially) offensive.

These issues of knife visibility are matters that mainly trouble city folk and many of us never even think of such things.

I hope that helps.

(Do you still need a picture?)
 
English is squirrelly.

Here's one from the text books of cognitive psychology (really). Results backed up by studies.

Most people will say that a chair is a type of furniture.
Most people will say that a car seat is a type of chair.
Most people will say that a car seat is NOT a type of furniture.

In the same way, I think it may be true that Buck sells a sheath for the 112 (and 110) but most people will say that a "sheath knife" is a fixed blade knife.

To reiterate an example I noted above, my little Schrade 5OT had a cute little holster/sheath. Nobody in their right mind would call the 5OT a sheath knife though. It's a pocket knife.

I disagree that the reason Buck sells a sheath being due to the fact the knife is heavy and likely to wear out pockets. They sold sheaths with the 500 and sell them currently for the Ecolite 112s. Both of those knives are very pocket friendly. IMO, the issue is that they lack pocket clips and in some work environments, you need/want your knife to be both secure and easily accessible and a holster/sheath gives you that. That's why the 5OT and Ecolite 112 and 500 all have holsters. It's not because they wear out pockets.

All good fun and work diversion here. If you want to call a 112 a sheath knife, that's fine by me. There are no language police or anything.
 
I think it may be true that Buck sells a sheath for the 112...
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Well, you're making progress.

:D

While it is fine and correct to call a "fixed-blade knife" a "sheath knife," it is incorrect to then take the wild leap of assumption that only fixed-blade knives are sheath knives.

Buck has never called it a holster knife......or called its container a "holster."

If it's got a sheath, it's a sheath knife.

Do you need a picture, too?

:)
 
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Feh. Semantics class has been canceled. Students have been redirected to a course in Indexicality, which is being offered by the Sociology Department. The only people left who believe in sematics are in the Computer Science school and even they are figuring out it doesn't work that way, which is why your medical records are fubared (<-technical term).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indexicality

I think you're right about the OP being an add, btw.
 
Yes, it was an advertisement for sure.......little do they know that we are immune to such tactics, being set in our ways and buying habits as we are.........but we made the most of it, didn't we???

Always having fun, we are.

:)
 
I can't believe you guys are having this less filling -vs- tastes grate conversation. Some knives are just to big and heavy for pocket carry....so they are supplied with a sheath!

Back to the OP,

Steve, when you have some free time post a few photo's!
jb4570

Sheath
a case or covering for the blade of a sword, dagger, or the like.
2.
any similar close-fitting covering or case.
3.
a condom.
4.
Biology . a closely enveloping part or structure, as in an animal or plant.
5.
Botany . the leaf base when it forms a vertical coating surrounding the stem.

Holster
a sheath like carrying case for a firearm, attached to a belt, shoulder sling, or saddle.
to put or put back in a holster: to holster a gun.
 
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