Just got my 112!! My compliments to New Graham Knives

112 is a folding knife, that is typically sold with a case/pouch.
Everybody that knows anything knows a sheath knife is a fixed blade knife.
 
This sheath is really a pouch that looks like a holster. :D

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I don't really feel that anyone can argue against calling the 112's sheath a sheath. Ths whole discussion started over the term "sheath knife" which has a long history of being descriptive of a fixed blade knife. I don't think that is arguable.
 
This is an Internet forum.

What else would we do if we took away arguing over definitions?

Discuss politics? :D
 
Plumberdv said:
I don't really feel that anyone can argue against calling the 112's sheath a sheath. Ths whole discussion started over the term "sheath knife" which has a long history of being descriptive of a fixed blade knife. I don't think that is arguable.
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Nobody argued that the term sheath knife is not descriptive of a fixed blade knife.

The error that was challenged was that people were trying to make a rather bizarre leap to from that point to then claim that the 112 is NOT a sheath knife.

Since it is usually carried in a sheath and is issued by Buck with a sheath, the 112 is clearly a sheath knife.

It's not even an arguable issue.

;)
 
BG42,

Can you find single dictionary or encyclopedia that defines the term "sheath knife" in any way other than being a fixed blade knife? Every one I've looked at defines the term to be a fixed blade.

FWIW, I have and use the Buck 110, Buck 112, Buck 112 Ecolite and Buck 500. The sheaths/holsters sit unused in my drawer. These knives all get used regularly and never ever get belt carried. The 110 rides in jacket pocket or pack. The others all get pocket carried (all apart of my EDC rotation). I'll concede that many 110 users belt carry them, but I'd wager a cold frosty beer that the split is 50/50 at best for the 112. No way to back that up, obviously. But that's my sense in talking with other users.
 
pinnah said:
I'd wager a cold frosty beer that the split is 50/50 at best for the 112. No way to back that up, obviously.
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That's a good question. We could take a quick poll. I belt carry my 112. It's just too much knife for my pants pocket.
 
I have carried both ways, but no longer and never again with the 112 and 110 (almost lost one).

Some of the Cabela's pants have a great knife-sized pocket on the back of the right thigh, but while that pocket is a handy knife pocket, I've found that the 112 and 110 will wear through it pretty quickly due to weight.

That's why they're sold with a good sheath.......because they're sheath knives. Anybody who argues with that fact is just denying that reality.

:)
 
pinnah said:
BG42,

Can you find single dictionary or encyclopedia that defines the term "sheath knife" in any way other than being a fixed blade knife? Every one I've looked at defines the term to be a fixed blade.

FWIW, I have and use the Buck 110, Buck 112, Buck 112 Ecolite and Buck 500. The sheaths/holsters sit unused in my drawer. These knives all get used regularly and never ever get belt carried. The 110 rides in jacket pocket or pack. The others all get pocket carried (all apart of my EDC rotation). I'll concede that many 110 users belt carry them, but I'd wager a cold frosty beer that the split is 50/50 at best for the 112. No way to back that up, obviously. But that's my sense in talking with other users.
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First of all, the fact that a 112 is a sheath knife would not be changed if everybody pocket-carried it. A fact is a fact.

So your proposition is irrelevant.

Second, (I already corrected Plumberdv on this, but apparently you missed that) NOBODY here has said that a fixed-blade knife is not a sheath knife, so nobody is bothered by your definitions. You are fighting a straw man on that one. All the rest of us can do is watch and smile as you tussle with your invisible and apparently imaginary opponent. Good luck getting him to buy you that cold beer.

:D

The actual point in question is whether or not a 112 is a sheath knife and we all know it comes with a sheath.

What you are sadly lacking in your position is a definition that states that the 112 is something OTHER than a sheath knife.

You can't find that because.........drum roll.........a 112 is a sheath knife. All available evidence proves it.

See how that works?

:D
 
TAH said:
That's a good question. We could take a quick poll. I belt carry my 112. It's just too much knife for my pants pocket.
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Put me down as a "no way" in your poll (pocket carry a 112?). I wouldn't even consider carrying a 112, 500 and especially a 110 in a pocket. If they were designed and intended as a pocket knife, Buck woukdn't go to the extra expense of furnishing them with a belt sheath.
 
BG42EDGE said:
First of all, the fact that a 112 is a sheath knife would not be changed if everybody pocket-carried it. A fact is a fact.

So your proposition is irrelevant.

Second, (I already corrected Plumberdv on this, but apparently you missed that) NOBODY here has said that a fixed-blade knife is not a sheath knife, so nobody is bothered by your definitions. You are fighting a straw man on that one. All the rest of us can do is watch and smile as you tussle with your invisible and apparently imaginary opponent. Good luck getting him to buy you that cold beer.

:D

The actual point in question is whether or not a 112 is a sheath knife and we all know it comes with a sheath.

What you are sadly lacking in your position is a definition that states that the 112 is something OTHER than a sheath knife.

You can't find that because.........drum roll.........a 112 is a sheath knife. All available evidence proves it.

See how that works?

:D
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No offence meant BG, but you are so sure of yourself, it’s funny. :) That’s good though, a man should always think he’s the only one with the right answer. :thumbup: Right??

While I agree and have said so, I think the 112 is made to be carried in a sheath, but I also believe that it doesn’t fit the traditional description of “sheath knife” which is what DM questioned in the first place.
 
What DM said, was this:

Could you post a picture of it? What are you guys talking about calling a 112 a sheathed knife? DM
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And he STILL hasn't been provided with a picture of this amazing knife.

But he did liven things up for a while.

:D
 
Plumberdv said:
Put me down as a "no way" in your poll (pocket carry a 112?). I wouldn't even consider carrying a 112, 500 and especially a 110 in a pocket. If they were designed and intended as a pocket knife, Buck woukdn't go to the extra expense of furnishing them with a belt sheath.
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They also sell a case with the 501 and they make them for the 503 and 55. So that doesn't prove anything.
I find pocket carrying the 500 to not be a problem.
I've seen many pocket carry a 110, if I had a need for the 110 I'd pocket carry it.

The 112 and 110 are folding knives vs sheath knives.
 
BG42EDGE said:
What DM said, was this:



And he STILL hasn't been provided with a picture of this amazing knife.

But he did liven things up for a while.

:D
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How 'bout I post one for him. After all, if you've seen one of the '86 or newer standard factory 112's you've pretty much seen them all. ;)

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BG42EDGE said:
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Second, (I already corrected Plumberdv on this, but apparently you missed that) NOBODY here has said that a fixed-blade knife is not a sheath knife, so nobody is bothered by your definitions. You are fighting a straw man on that one. All the rest of us can do is watch and smile as you tussle with your invisible and apparently imaginary opponent. Good luck getting him to buy you that cold beer.
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I can play.

First, these aren't *my* definitions...

Definitions for "sheath knife"

Websters: : a knife having a fixed blade and designed to be carried in a sheath

Princeton Wordnet: a knife with a fixed blade that is carried in a sheath

Wikipedia: A sheath knife is a fixed bladed knife that fits in an either leather or material (nylon, kevlar, leather etc. ) sheath for protection of the knife and carrier.

Cambridge: a knife with a fixed blade

Wiktionary: A knife with a fixed blade that fits in a sheath to protect the knife and its owner.

The Free Dictionary.com: A knife that has a fixed blade and fits into a sheath.

American Heritage Dictionary: A knife that has a fixed blade and fits into a sheath.


So, here's how definitions work. When they describe a noun as being a member of a set and they choose to qualify the set as being a smaller subset of a larger set, this means the noun is a member of the subset. These dictionaries all concur. A sheath knife implies the knife is a fixed blade. Had they meant to include folders of any sort, they would have said something along the lines of "a knife meant to be carried in a sheath". But they didn't. They all specifically said fixed blade. That's not my opinion, it's theirs. I'm sure they have contact information if you would like to point out their error. ;)

As for the issue of people asserting or not asserting that fixed blades aren't sheath knives, that is definitely a strawman. No idea how that got into the mix.

The Buck 501 has a sheath that is available for it.
http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=product.detail&ProductID=2915

Would you call it a sheath knife too?

The Schrade 5OT (same size as the Buck 501) had a sheath (have one for mine). Nobody in their right mind would call that a sheath knife.

EDITED TO ADD: Doesn't the 301 Dymondwood come with a sheath? Another sheath knife?

See how that works?
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On a Friday afternoon? Sure! ;)

It's 5 oclock somewhere and I'm buying!!
 
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Ok.

:)

And Sitflyer........I'd carry one of your excellent remodeled 112s in my pocket anytime.

I'd probably have to get in line to buy one.

:)
 
Come on guys,

This is not what the OP intended for this thread. But, you all keep beating a dead horse....agree to disagree....Ok.

I found this definition for sheath knife
"World English Dictionary
sheath knife

— n
a knife carried in or protected by a sheath"

So we can keep the arguments going on this forever. Arguers take a look at post #20, #3 then send me your address's and I'll send you a sheath big enough to pull over your heads;):D
jb4570
 
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