Just received my DiamondBlade, FFD2 !!!

[Keith_H]

What is friction forging? is that kinda like a dull drill bit? Just kidding, but how does it work?

 

[hardheart]

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362629&postcount=6
My initial impressions were that the blade was the sharpest factory knife I've handled

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362180&postcount=2
There is nothing even remotely 'scare the sheeple' about it but the blade is one of the sharpest I have ever handled- I'll call it "freaky sharp."

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=361684&postcount=1
and a Yojimbo (sharpest knife I've ever owned)

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=356032&postcount=36
The sharpest knife I have is the CF Caly 3 ZDP
http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=352142&postcount=16
Also picked up a CF/ZDP version recently and it is without a doubt the sharpest knife I have ever handled. Amazing.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=338012&postcount=1
I think its the sharpest Spyderco I got lately, and among the sharpest factory knives I bought.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=331987&postcount=1
This blade is without a doubt the sharpest I have ever bought out of box in a very long time , scary !

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=331008&postcount=5
my PE Millie is the sharpest knife I've ever known

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=328046&postcount=1
This is one of the sharpest knives I've ever seen

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=327939&postcount=3
Yup, it is probably the sharpest factory edge I have ever felt

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=327462&postcount=1
My son said the caly was the sharpest knife he had ever felt

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=327427&postcount=8
It's simply the sharpest knife I've ever held, and I've held a few!

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=323380&postcount=9
I haven't had a chance to really put it to use yet but I will say that out of the box, it's one of the sharpest blades I've purchased.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=320793&postcount=18
Out of the box, the ZDP blade is one of the sharpest blades I've seen.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=316581&postcount=31
My spur came the sharpest of any thing ive ever seen even better that my coustoms

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=319555&postcount=4
I have a Worker model with Gin 1 and I think it is one of the sharpest knives right out of the box that i've ever bought.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=311081&postcount=1
In all seriousness, the Karambit is quite simply, the sharpest knife I own, period, the blade is Monowire-level sharp

this was from the first 2 pages of results, brainfart

 

[hardheart]

What is friction forging? is that kinda like a dull drill bit? Just kidding, but how does it work?

http://www.diamondbladeknives.com/f_video.aspx (video one tab)
it is like a dull bit, sorta

 

[Kohai999]

While I appreciate your taking the time to do that...

1. It IS the Spyderco Forum...rather than say General, here. What are they supposed to say there, "Spyderco knives are duller than rocks"? I understand YOUR point, but my point is that they may very well be Spyderco sycophants.

2. None of the posters that you pulled up compared thier Spydercos to SPECIFIC other knives. The other knives by comparison could be Pakistani machetes. THERE is no reference to specifics....and that is CRUCIAL in this type of discussion.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[hardheart]

this is from the first post in this thread

Guys, let me tell you something, like most of you guys, I've been interested in knives for most of my life, so I say this with some prudence....this is by far the sharpest knife that I have ever handled.

yet no complaints

 

[Jos]

http://www.diamondbladeknives.com/f_video.aspx (video one tab)
it is like a dull bit, sorta

This answers my question as well. Thanks for the link.

Nice knife Troop. Where can more info on diamondblade be found? Do they have a website?

 

[Cliff Stamp]

You are still comparing a knife you have never handled with another knife you have never handled.

No, that is a complete misrepresentation. I ASKED if the knife could be compared to another so a quantitative statement could be made.

Most people when they pick up pretty much any even decent knife will proclaim it is the sharpest, strongest, etc., knife they have ever used. Now what is the baseline for performance? Is it even the quality actually being stated. Many people will confuse sharpness and cutting ability, strength/toughness, edge retention/stability, etc. .

What is the highest standard seen in those catagories? Thus I noted a well known high standard which is almost uniform (I have never heard one person complain about the lack of sharpness in R. J.'s knives) and then another standard which has been personally quantified and which ANYONE can obtain and measure cheaply.

You haven't demonstrated the validity of your sample.

They were randomally selected, why would they not be representative of the population. Since you (generality) seem to be unable or unwilling to even consider this logically, I will do so for you. There are actually a issues in the sample which should be obvious :

1) the knives are focused almost immediately on the NA market

2) there is a lack of certain types (high priced custom tactical folders)

Thus it would not be reasonable to assert that if Spyderco would be likely to be superior to production knives in germany as the sample does not cover them. This is how you make an actual logical arguement, as opposed to turning the thread into personal bickering.

A gentleman sharing his pleasure with a new acquisition is deficient because he hasn't provided an effort commensurate with that of a successful knife manufacturer.

As an example of just how nonsensical that assertion is, I spend my own money sending knives out to people to review. Right now there is a CPM D2 and D2 blade circulating, and there is no restriction on what people can do with them. They can be as much or as less quantitative as they want. All I ask is that they at least compare the performance to something.

You are the one contending here Cliff ...

Yes I am contending that

1) R. J. Martin is a well known standard for superior sharpness, even among knives which are known to be sharp.

2) Utility razor blades are a high and useful standard for sharpness.

Do you oppose them, no, you just attempt to derail the discussion and make it personal. Now, do you actually contend anything - no, even you admit that.

Without testing all production knives, the quote seemed to be inaccurate.

Sensibly you would conclude that it would be based on the information gathered. Most people do not go around saying things like "Yes, based on the random sample I have assessed, I would be confident that it is likely that this brand is the superior product." Even among the most rigid experimentalists I have worked with I have never heard them say that outside a formal journal paper.

I'm sure there's a sharper knife somewhere. Wouldn't want to speak out of turn...

Yes, after all, everyone should be held to the same exacting standards, would not want to have a biased responce now would we. I actually know what the actual sharpest knife is and it is not made out of FFD2 (not even CLOSE), and yes it has been tested, even by CATRA, so it has to be true

The sharpest blade I have personally measured was a double sided razor blade. The kind that are used by some barbers. A very sharp blade will test at about 100 g on thread, the really sharp ones are about 60-80 g (Spyderco will consistently hit this mark). At this point they will do extreme things like shave above the skin. The razor blade was ~20 g consistently

-Cliff

 

[Troop]

Hey Guys,
I just got my new Diamondblade Friction Forged D2 hunting knife, and so far, I like it. Oh, by the way, it came out of the box very sharp... I cut some rope the other day with it, and it made short work of it...it seems to hold the edge well.
I thought you'd like to know, for whatever it's worth.
- Troop

 

[Cliff Stamp]

How do you find the handle, ergonomics and security wise?

-Cliff

 

[marcinek]

Troop...please ignore these people.

Otherwise they are going to demand detailed electron microscope studies of the rope you used, as well as a definition of "short" involving the number of oscillations of a cesium atom.

 

[Jos]

Hey Guys,
I just got my new Diamondblade Friction Forged D2 hunting knife, and so far, I like it. Oh, by the way, it came out of the box very sharp... I cut some rope the other day with it, and it made short work of it...it seems to hold the edge well.
I thought you'd like to know, for whatever it's worth.
- Troop

Troop, as marcinek said, ignore the BS and enjoy your knife. You sure made me curious about diamondblades!:thumbup:

 

[Thomas W]

Yes I am contending that
1) R. J. Martin is a well known standard for superior sharpness, even among knives which are known to be sharp.

Paul Bos is well known and respected for his HT'ing ability as well, and you had this to say about him:

Has ANYONE ever actually produced any FACTS that Paul Bos is a superior heat treater to the others used in the industry.

A little consistency with these types of references would be appreciated Cliff.
So your ok with using RJ and his reputation of having a superior sharpness, Paul Bos...we need facts.

It is good to know that facts are not always required to prove a point with you.

Do you oppose them, no, you just attempt to derail the discussion and make it personal. Now, do you actually contend anything - no, even you admit that.
-Cliff

Again Cliff this is not personal, I'm just trying to understand.

Look, I talk with RJ regularly (even own him a call), he and Kai USA are in business together. There have been dozens of samples of his work that I have personally handled. I know First Hand what the man is capable of.


Sorry again for getting off topic.

 

[proguide]

I might have to grab one for the upcoming bow season.

 

[JD Mandrell]

There is a very nice and informative article in the newest issue of Blade on these knives and the process of friction forging.

 

[Broos]

Troop,
Thanks again for the review, and nice pics of the aftermath.

Most people when they pick up pretty much any even decent knife will proclaim it is the sharpest, strongest, etc., knife they have ever used.

Yeah, whenever I pick up any knife, I usually do immediately proclaim it is the sharpest knife I ever held in my life. Thereafter I will further proclaim what particular definition of sharpness I am using at the time.

 

[Native Justice]

Christ gents, let the man gloat over his new toy without the theatrics of subjecting his every comment to critical review and commentary. Most of us want to know what his comments are, subjective though they may be, but lets not crucify him for his first impressions. If we want more detail, qualitative or quantitative, we can ask him. Let the poor guy respond at least. It's crap like the preceding that prevents people from doing what Troop did, freely talking about a new purchase with enthusiasm!

Thanks Troop, we appreciate your review and patience with those that wish to make this about something more than you expected or desired.

NJ

 

[Cliff Stamp]

A little consistency with these types of references would be appreciated Cliff.

As I noted, there are examples of direct comparisons of R. J. Martin against other makers in regards to sharpness standards so your arguement is without merit. This has even been noted on the forum, Les Robertson for example was very fond of nothing this often, especially compared to Hartsfield who many would say makes very sharp blades himself. Similar with the other makers I noted, they have demonstrated performance that sets a very high standard PUBLICALLY which is quantitative and has not been commonly repeated. Thus it is not unfounded to say Fikes sets a high standard for sharpness, and of course cutting skill.

-Cliff

 

[noss4]

Troop: Thanks for the review and photos. I'm glad you enjoy your new knife. I went to the diamond blade website and I almost fell out of my chair when I saw the price. I was thinking they would be around $100 dollars. I don't know why I was thinking this ? Looks like a very interesting process for knife making. It is going to be interesting to hear more user feed back on FF blades.


Thanks again.

 

[Cobalt]

All I ask is that they at least compare the performance to something.

-Cliff

What a novel idea

Hmmm, aren't there plenty of high end D2 knives on the market? Surely there is a few for comparison by an overtly unbiased group or individual. :thumbup:

 

[Troop]

Troop: Thanks for the review and photos. I'm glad you enjoy your new knife. I went to the diamond blade website and I almost fell out of my chair when I saw the price. I was thinking they would be around $100 dollars. I don't know why I was thinking this ? Looks like a very interesting process for knife making. It is going to be interesting to hear more user feed back on FF blades.


Thanks again.

:thumbup: You're welcome, Noss. Yup..they're not cheap. $ 400.00 is a lot of money to me. Hence my lack of desire to give it a true test. I hope you understand, Bro'.