Just wanted to say hello!!!

First of all, I assume that you want high wear resistance to give good edge holding. If this is the case then consider that there are many more factors in edge holding than simply wear resistance such as : toughness, ductility, compression resistance and cutting ability. For anything besides low stress slicing, wear resistance is not the dominant factor because the edge will either fracture, roll or dent long before it will wear away. If this is the case by using a high wear resistant steel you have just made your life much harder because it will take much more work to sharpen the edge and it lasted no longer, in fact not as long.

Specifically, CPM-3V is far tougher at 62 RC than 10V is at 60 RC, and probably still at 58 RC. This means that it will resist denting far greater (higher RC), as well as fracture (higher toughness). It should wear down smoothly wheas the 10V will chip out. As well even though 10V has a greater potential for wear resistance comparing it to 3V with a 4 RC difference tilts the scales a little back towards 3V.

Now your approach of simply making the blade really thick solves one problem (the edge chipping) but just introduces another. As Dave pointed out, you can easily alter the geomtery to greatly increase the cutting ability. You however can't do this with 10V as it doesn't have the materials base for it, you would end up with a knife that is too fragile. You will be able to make a much better cutting blade from a tougher steel.

Consider the Magnum Camp from Becker. Now the wear resistance of the steel they are using will be far less than 10V even at 58 RC. However will the blade you are making outcut the Magnum Camp, no. It is much thicker in profile and designed for prying and heavy chopping in hard and thick woods. So basically for all light work it will be readily out cut. I would assume based on the specs I have heard, by easily a factor of more than 2. Now consider for any long term use fatigue can easily enhance this allowing the blade that cuts better to greatly jump ahead in performance. With a decent amount of work that factor of 2 can easily be a factor of 4. And consider as well now, even if the 10V blade stays sharper, wouldn't you rather cut the work down to 25% and strop the Magnum Camp a little at lunchtime.

-Cliff
 
WOW! That is a whole lot of knife to tote around for camp chores that don't include chopping. Your reference to 10V being tougher than M2 may be correct, but the impact shock created by a 10" blade of 1/4" stock will be in the magnitude of several times the force created and handled by your Nimravus. Maybe why I have never seen a large blade of M2. BTW, how does Marine Tuff-Cloth taste in the morning? Anyway, enjoy it and I hope it does whatever you designed it to do well.
 
Ok ok ok!!!

So it will be used for some chopping.

It is not the only blade I will have with me.

1095 et al has NOT worked as I wanted it to.

The nearest I have at the moment to a good camp knife is my D2 Ka Bar.

My Nimravious us my fixed utility blade.

I will use my Gerber Axe for the HEAVY stuff.

The maker is considering the posibility of a Distal taper down to 3/16 nearer the tip. He knows his stuff! BTW it is to be fully flat ground.

I welcome all the comments here. It is a big step for me. Sorry if I disagree with you all! I don't doubt for a second that you know more than me, but it is what I want to do in the end. I am very happy! It will be interesting to see how this pans out. BTW Rob, going from your experience, how does 10V compare to that 'T' material. You know the one, yes? Feel free to e-mail me about this, I am not looking to start a fight here.

Cliff, you might remember my criteria for testing a camp knife, you said it was a sensible and reasonable criteria (thanks!) . That is the criteria for ANY camp knife for me. I don't see anything that would stress this knife. I am not about to cut up a tree when I have a razor sharp axe to hand. There are a number of reasons for such a large knife for me.

1. Because I got an amazing deal, 10" or 5" it has cost me the same!
2. Because I like a big knife! And in the UK I can carry it leagaly when camping.
3. My Nimravious is NOT big enough.
4. My KA BAR is very good, but thw 2" serrations make it a 5" blade in many ways...
5. I have NO problem carrying a larger knife weight wise. Hell I am getting a 22" Kuhkri at some point.
6. 1095 steel is good, but did not work well for me, sharpening in the field over a week long trip is a right pain, and even worse in the middle of an emergency, my Ontario marine knife began to losse performance when I needed it to work and work well. I got very wet as a result. In Wales you cannot mess about when you need a shelter FAST!

Thanks for the advice, I am enjoying this thread a lot. Even if I am a disagreeable sod at times!

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
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As has been recommended, earlier, 3V would probably be a better choice. It will hold an edge longer, in the type of use you describe, and will not require such a thick blade, so it will cut better. In the end, it is your choice, but you may want to consider 3V for this knife, since 10V is more suited to very small knives, while 3V is ideally suited to large knives, like you describe.

--JB

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[This message has been edited by e_utopia (edited 04-10-2001).]
 
Thanks, but I am going ahead with 10V.

Once I have had a chance to try it, I will post about it.

Thanks again!

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
General.. youre saying the maker of this knife charges the same price for a 10" blade in 10V as he would for a 5" one and that hell make a camp knife with a 10" by 1/4" blade of 10V (which is expensive stuff and hard to work) for a lower price than a Busse Battle Mistress? I need to know who this maker is please email me his name and contact info. didot99@aol.com
Thanks
 
Well yes that is true, however I am not willing to say this is ALWAYS the case, rather this is what he has done for ME. I don't want to become this makers price guide... But he had a piece of 15" 10V which would make the knife I wanted; knocking about. So I think it is fair to say this is more than likely a one off. Still I don't want to say THAT on his behalf. I have mentioned to him that his price seems amazingly generous and low, and he seems happy to go ahead with this. So I am VERY happy with this.

From what he has posted to me in private, he wants to provide a very good custom knife at a very fair price. Most of his blades seem to be in the $250-$350 range. He has told me that he likes to keep it under $300 if possible. Well I have seen some of his work and I have to say if it were made by some of the very famous makers on the group you could multiply the price five fold right away. It really does seem THAT good. I am sure we will be hearing a LOT more from this maker. Tell you what, I will mail him and ask him if he wants to contact you or if he dosen't mind me telling you who he is. Again, I don't want to set a precident by telling everyone what a great deal I have got and causing people to ask for the same deal if it is a one off.

The last thing I want to do is annoy him, or show any disrespect. I hope you can understand this.

Thank you.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
LJU,
Check out Doug Mondt (this link might work-look under new makers and biographies).
http://www.circlepknives.com/CP_Mainframe.htm
He's got some great-looking knives, and I believe his prices are very reasonable.
I asked him a question on the forum, and he emailed me some info and pics. He works in 10V, and various other CPM steels. Seems like a very nice fellow.

Has a couple of knives pictured in the Gallery, btw.



[This message has been edited by OwenM (edited 04-12-2001).]
 
No prob General I understand. Thanks for the heads up Owen... some nice knives that Doug fellow makes (very reasonable prices) If Im in the market for a huntin blade Ill look him up.
 
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