justed got my banned FFBM!!! oooooweeeee!!!

Ban said:
I had thought about a logo for my mod work sometime back but dropped it because I did not want to take credit for Jerry's work and design. I think a combo logo like Banned Busse would be cool. It would have my mark and still give credit to Jerry. But then again... Since the knife will no longer be covered under Busse warranty I am not sure how Jerry will feel about that. I will have to ask him about it the next time we talk.
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actually, the only significant change would be the zero convexed edge......all the other changes were cosmetic in nature......satin finish, new grips.....


i know that since the handle slabs have been totally replaced, and not just recontoured, they probably wouldn't be covered under warranty.....


however, the blade itself should still be covered as no structural changes were made......the coating was just stripped and given a satin finish.....



hey jerry, can you chime in here???


thanks...
 
That is an awesome conversion!

I really love those scales, they look perfect.
 
Holey Moley! That's one very shiny sharp edge! And I really like the new smooth grip slabs as well. I bet they would be more comfortable than the standard machined grips.

What would a job like this cost now days??
 
new said:
actually, the only significant change would be the zero convexed edge......all the other changes were cosmetic in nature......satin finish, new grips.....


i know that since the handle slabs have been totally replaced, and not just recontoured, they probably wouldn't be covered under warranty.....


however, the blade itself should still be covered as no structural changes were made......the coating was just stripped and given a satin finish.....



hey jerry, can you chime in here???


thanks...
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When one has reground the knife on a belt grinder, one should not expect to keep the warranty. You just trust the properties of the INFI to protect you.
 
resinguy said:
When one has reground the knife on a belt grinder, one should not expect to keep the warranty. You just trust the properties of the INFI to protect you.
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Hmmm, more of a detailed description from BUSSE about their warranty would bring some clarity to this. :confused:
 
resinguy said:
When one has reground the knife on a belt grinder, one should not expect to keep the warranty. You just trust the properties of the INFI to protect you.
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Yep agreed! :thumbup: The warranty issue has already been hashed out in another long thread a while back.
 
Ban said:
Yep agreed! :thumbup: The warranty issue has already been hashed out in another long thread a while back.
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could you possibly refer me to this particular thread???

thanks...
 
i just read the whole thread and there seemed to be a lot of opinions going both ways.....yes they are still warrantied Vs. the warranty is void......

but jerry doesn't explicity state that mods voids the warranty.....

Jerry Busse said:
Tony has brought up a problem that we have had to deal with on a number of occasions. We had a BME sent into us that had another maker's work done on the swedge. It was pretty bad. . . The customer bought it used and figured it was our fault. . . He was very unhappy. . . We had to fix it because our name was on it. . . and it was going to be out there. . .somewhere. Another customer sent in a knife complaining that the edge was way too thick. . . Someone had ground nearly 1/4" off of the entire edge and then sharpened it. . . the area above the edge was over .100" thick!!!:eek: What do we do? We had to strip the knife and regrind the entire blade. . . . Why?. . Because it was going to be out there. . . somewhere. We have had several blades returned to us that had their primary bevels reground for a much thinner geometry and cutting edge. By the time the last guy gets them, they are way to thin to stand up to the abuse that our knives are designed to take. Our reputation ends up taking a beating because the knives won't.

I constantly read about guys getting someone to make their knives "really cut". . . Trust me, we know how to grind a knife to be very thin and to be a much more effective slicer, but somewhere along the line to thinning a bevel you must know the properties of the steel and what it can take under the worst circumstances. If I made FBMs with .010" thick edges they would cut and slice like demons!!!. . . BUT as soon as that same knife gets into someone elses hands who decides to chop with it and they impact hinges or rocks or ammo crates or bones. . . it's our reputation that gets burned, not the modifier's.

If a customer wants to sign an agreement that he will NEVER sell his Busse knife, and I could etch his name into the blade along with the modifications, I would be glad to put whatever edge or grind that person might want, including an edge so thin that you could practically see through it! Would it perform well? Under certain conditions, yes. . . Under all conditions? NO!. . .

I realize that the customer who has modifications done to his knife is short sighted. He only sees the knife fulfilling his particular needs. I on the other hand, know that that knife will still be out there. . . somewhere. . . and 10 - 20 years from now, our reputation is still the one that will be taking the hit if it doesn't perform as well as one would expect it to. . .

It's a perplexing problem and now I must drink heavily to make it go away!!! :eek:

Jerry :D


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after reading this post, it seems to me that my knife should still be covered by the warranty, unless the HT was somehow messed up, which could easily be checked if the issue arose......the reason being that the blade was not significantly altered in terms of thickness or profile......the blade was stripped and given a satin finish......

the edge was convexed, but that is something i could've done myself......and if i were to convex the edge on one of my other busses, would that void the warranty???? i would hope not....and by convexing, i mean just getting rid of the shoulder of the edge bevel....not thinning it to a scalpel or anything like that...

the bevels and flats haven't been ground thinner.....just satinized.....


and like i said before, the new slabs shouldn't be covered, as they have been totally replaced.......but according to jerry's post above, my blade should still be covered.....
 
Perhaps Jerry will farm out some mod work to “Busse Certified Modifiers” in the future so the custom shop can focus on customs. Kind of like letting Skunk handle the retail side of things.

The truth is any work on the blade of the knife “Should” void the warrantee. I mean once someone other than Busse touches the blade (as to grinding) it is not fair to expect Busse to be on the hook.

It just isn’t.

That being said I had Ban regrind a FFBM to a Giant HH much like what the OP had done only with a rounded tip. Here's a pic
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Now I know INFI and I know Ban so I don’t have any worries but if anything did happen to the blade it would be unreasonable to ask Busse to cover the damage.

They simply cannot be held responsible because the reason blade failure cannot be clear.

Just my 2
 
Thats an awesome FSH! :thumbup: I stripped, convexed (not zero edge) and put a satin finish on all by hand, and if I broke that knife I would still want to be covered because I think that I did not modify the knife enough to affect its performance.
 
dduangrat said:
How do I get an edge like this?

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Easy! Just grind it in with a belt grinder. :D Start with 36grit, then move to 80, 120, 220. Finish off with scotchbrite then polish the heck out of the edge with a leather belt. Thats all there is to it :thumbup:
 
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