Kayaks and fishing

Blue Sky

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After a lot of research I finally bought my first kayak, a Pungo 120. It was the best combination of stability, speed, performance, handling and price I could find. I plan to use it mostly for fishing. I have a fair amount of fishing and boating experience, but kayaks are completely new to me. If anyone has any tips for rigging it up or whatever, I'd love to hear them. Thanks
 
After a lot of research I finally bought my first kayak, a Pungo 120. It was the best combination of stability, speed, performance, handling and price I could find. I plan to use it mostly for fishing. I have a fair amount of fishing and boating experience, but kayaks are completely new to me. If anyone has any tips for rigging it up or whatever, I'd love to hear them. Thanks
My brother fishes from his kayak all the time. What sort of suggestions are you looking for? Ideas on how to make fishing gear accessible? Looks like you have a little hatch but only a tiny bit of bungee on the front. kayak looks like a good choice for fishing, probably won't track the best but looks to be agile and stable.
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Keep your gear simple. Use a belt type tackle bag or a soft tackle bag that you can lash to the deck and still access you gear. put a lanyard on your rod.
I have not mentioned anything about safety, that is your own responsibility.
But I speak from experience when I say that any thing that can go in the water will. Jetskiers and speed boaters think its funny when they swamp you with there wake.
 
What sort of suggestions are you looking for?

Things like the best way to rig anchors and rod holders, storing gear, managing a drift, that sort of stuff. I'm not sure quite what to ask yet, but I'm sure that will change after I get it out a few times.

Jetskiers and speed boaters think its funny when they swamp you with there wake.

Unfortunately, I have no doubt of this one. I know a smallish, calm lake
that will probably be my first destination just to avoid that sort of thing until I get some experience.
 
The only problem I had was getting excited and nearly tipping the kayak over when setting the hook. :D I had a removeable pole holder mounted on one kayak-- worked great.
 
Love to hear of some of your experiences with the kayak. Been looking at similar concept but was concerned that the kayak was not stable enough. I'm not into flipping a kayak with fishing gear in it. Been considering an Ocean Kayak.
 
I am very interested in controlling drift with a kayak, I have used mine to Fish in resivoirs and canals and cant seem to stop it from turning, but its a really akward old Folboat, 2 seater, that handles like a pig largley due to the many repairs to the bottom. the only advantage is alot of room for gear.

I know they sell rod holders for kayaks, a pfd with pockets gives you room for a couple of small tackle boxes.
 
I do a lot of fishing out of canoes and kayaks, it's the only way to get into some small out of the way streams and into some dynamite fishing. There have been literally books written about it and I will be more than happy to answer specific questions but I think I will defer you to a couple of my favorite sites and they can help much more than I can.

http://www.riversmallies.com/

http://www.georgiariverfishing.com/
 
Love to hear of some of your experiences with the kayak. Been looking at similar concept but was concerned that the kayak was not stable enough. I'm not into flipping a kayak with fishing gear in it. Been considering an Ocean Kayak.

I had the same concerns about stability, being a beginner. What eased my mind a bit was a friend who bought this one and told me it was very stable, no concerns about tipping unless you wanted to.:

http://www.heritagekayaks.com/featherlite9.5angler.htm

I was going to buy one myself but in the end went with the something a little different in case I wanted to get out on some bigger water than he did. The wide width (29") plus a flat bottom is what contributes to their initial stability. Mine has a molded keel that is supposed to provide better tracking, at the expense of ease of turning. On a narrow river or fast current that might be a liability, but that's not where I plan to go most of the time. Of course this is all still theory at this point, I'll find out for sure very soon.:eek:

I am very interested in controlling drift with a kayak, I have used mine to Fish in resivoirs and canals and cant seem to stop it from turning...

Fishing in my power boat, I used to use a drift sock. I wonder if that would help keep you straight? I know you can buy aftermarket rudders for some boats that would probably work, but I don't know a lot about them yet.


Runningboar: thanks for those links, lots of good info there. I've done a lot of smallmouth fishing on Lake Erie and it doesn't get much better IMO.:thumbup:
 
Drift buckets and socks work in kayaks also, but I think a piece of chain tied to a line works better. I would rather fish out of a kayak than any other way, it is very addictive. Chris
 
I have posted this pic before but I will rerun it because it is one of my favorites. I bought this kayak because I thought it would be good fish camo the color of the sky and clouds, I don't have any idea if I catch more fish because of it. Rusty dog loves the canoe and Is always ready to go.:D
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The deck rigging is where I put my tackle, I have a camelback backpack that I have small tackle boxes and my gear in that I secure with the opening towards me under the rigging. I use a 6 foot shimano convergence 2 piece, medium power, fast action spinning rod with a pflueger president 2730 spinning reel spooled with power pro 8 pound moss green line. My favorite lures for rivers are Rapala J7s, Rebel crawdads, and 3" riverside grubs with spinners and without. The stability issue is not really a factor, when you first start using you pungo it is going to feel shakey as hell and awkward, especially if you are used to other boats, sitting right down in the water is a bit strange at first. Stick with it and after a few trips it will feel natural and stable as a bath tub, your pungo is a very stable boat. Don't skimp on your paddle, a good quality light weight paddle is pure heaven, when you are paddling you lift your paddle 100s of times, as light as you can afford and your shoulders will thank you. Chris
 
Hey Blue Sky,

I have loads of experience in kayaks, both in whitewater and fishing. I can probably answer your questions or direct you to specific information on a variety of websites. These days I mostly use a sit-on-top to paddle VERY large bait (think 10# bonita) out 400 to 500 yards off the coast at Padre Island National Seashore targeting sharks. If this sounds interesting to any of you do a google for Extreme Coast. There is tons of great information about fishing from a kayak and how best ot rig your boat.

Feel free to email me with questions rather than taking up space here.

Adios!
 
My bro sent me this email, hope it helps.


Yup, a 12-foot Pungo is pretty common.

Outfitting is largely a matter of personal preference and access. First,
what do you want to do, and second, do you plan to have to access it on the
water?

Anchors:
A TON of people just use a 3-5 pound dumbbell weight on a rope. If it gets
really snagged up, it is inexpensive to cut loose (never happened to me). I
prefer a small-diameter nylon rope, and I keep mine on an H-shaped keeper
similar to how extension cords are stored. However, Kris stores his on
L-shaped brackets on the side of his hull. I have seen and heard of guys
with wind-up rope reels, or even keeping the anchor rope loose (bad idea, in
my opinion). I tie my anchor rope off with a loop knot on my rear bungee
cords. Another idea is to use a large clamp (think jumper cables) to clamp
to trees or bushes if you are near shore.

Storing gear--inside the hull or outside the hull? If you're on the water,
you need access, which means that hatch is not as useful as when you are
beached. I keep a small bag inside the hull in front of me. I usually
stuff lunch, a water bottle, and loose clothing in the hull behind me (my
seat collapses). Recently I've been playing around with a "work deck",
which is just a truncated cone of 3/8 plywood with crossed bungee cords on
it. This is because my boat does not have any front bungee cords. It
clamps to the deck, but I am probably going to install a bolt and wingnut
instead. The work deck holds two rods and a small tackle box.

If I get really aggressive with my gear, I can also strap a medium-sized
plastic parts tray to the rear bungee cords. This gives me a 16x16 space to
throw tackle or an extra shirt in. I bored holes in each corner of the
tray, attached clips, and clip them to the bungee cords. Don't forget the
pockets in your PFD; if you know the water where you're fishing, most of the
lures you need will probably fit in two 4x8 pockets.

Controlling a drift? You're big sailboat without a sail! You can control
direction to some degree with a rudder, a drag, or your paddle, but the wind
is going to do the talking. A "drag" is sometimes called a sea anchor--a
piece of nylon or other fabric attached to 3-5 ropes that you drag in the
water to slow you down. Great for the ocean, lousy for getting a hooked
fish tangled up. Often I'll hold my rod with one hand, and "steer" with my
paddle with the other hand. You get to know one-handed brace positions
pretty quickly (paddle under "free" elbow, or over the top of "free"
elbow, etc.)

Rod holders: I must say, I've done well without them, but I plan to put one
on my work deck this year. In the past I just propped my rods in the
cockpit in front of me. With the work deck, I have slipped them under the
bungee cords (extra rods go in the back bungee cords). Some guys use
pre-fabricated rod holders; others just use PVC sections or other pipe
bolted to a work deck. Kris uses his (installed) front bungee cords.
Personally, I don't like the thought of drilling on my hull (and the Pungo
as a lot softer than my Old Town's hull). A lot of guys drill, drill, drill
until their boats must look like Swiss cheese.

Couple of sites for common questions. I am not associated with any of these
sites, but I do post on paddling.net occasionally:

www.paddling.net
www.tkaa.org
www.kayakfishing.com
 
I have enjoyed fishing from a kayak.

The biggest lesson I learned was to never use a fishing line stronger than you can break with your hands. I like to use a hand line rather than a rod...much simpler and cheaper. The handlines I use are generally wound on to a plastic 'hand caster' reel. Anyway, without thinking, I took out a heavy line and hooked some huge beast....probably a stingray. It pulled me sideways. Fortunately the line did not get caught around my hand, and the hook straightened itself out and the fish got away before I was pulled into the water. Now I'd limit myself to using maybe thirty pound breaking strain line for kayak or cliff-face fishing.

For an anchor I carry a small folding grapnel. I don't use it much at all...I just drift over the fish.

My kayak is a sit-on model...an Viking 'Espri'. I think that a sit-on model is more practical for fishing close to shore and for short trips. Probably more robust than a conventional 'sit in' model, and easier to keep clean..... although it is a matter of personal preference. I have never fallen out of my kayak by accident, although I have successfully tried bailing out and getting back on board just to see if it could be done. I have also taken this kayak on some reasonable expeditions of maybe six or eight kilometers...and it went really well.

I carry spare clothing and drinking water etc in a plastic sack in the well located behind the sit-in well. I tie the neck of the sack with cord, and the other end of the cord is fastened to the kayak.

I keep a sharp knife jammed inside a bit of plastic pipe. The pipe is tied to the kayak. I once made the mistake of tying my actual knife to the kayak... and when I moved suddenly with the knife, the cord pulled it through my grip. The cut wasn't bad, but I learned a lesson.

I have made a multi-purpose fish-bashing club from wood modelled after the Maori patu club. This is a relatively wide, flat club. Because it is flat, it can be used as a board to cut up bait on. It also is great for killing the fish as they come aboard. And I have made it the exact length as the limit size for our blue cod (300mm) so that I have a measuring stick and can stay within the law. Other measurements can be scribed on to the club. There is a hole through the club handle for attaching a cord.

I keep my fish in the well alongside my feet.
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I caught the fish below from a dinghy...not the kayak, but I thought I'd post the picture anyway. (I could have caught them from the kayak). A john dory (left) and a blue cod:
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I'm getting pretty close to pulling the trigger on a Heritage Redfish Angler 12 myself.
 
Thanks everyone, you've really come through. I have some time off this holiday week and plan to set aside one day (at least) to get my feet wet so to speak. Looking forward to it, but a little nervous too. When I get back I'll try to relate how it went.

Coote: I woudn't mind seeing what that "hand caster" you use looks like if possible? In another thread hand-lining was brought up and it's something I always wanted to know more about.
 
I'm glad you are interested in hand lines Blue Sky.

I enjoy fishing, but I don't really consider it a sport or pastime (although it is both for me). I generally just fish to eat.

I've seen a lot of fishing rods and reels come and go. They seem to be fine when they are brand new, but they can break or malfunction fairly easily...especially when they get a lot of use near sand and salt water. Some of the most frustrating line tangles I've ever experienced have involved rods and reels. Rods may be ideal for holding a big fish on light tackle...or for long distance casting...but dang they can be a nuisance to store and tote around.

All you really need to catch many species of fish is a simple line with a hook attached...and probably a sinker. You can wind the line on a stick, a bottle, or a specially designed line holder.

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The orange plastic spool is the handcaster reel I referred to earlier. This particular one is around six inches in diameter. The flange with the hook slots in it is pretty much at right angles to the center of the spool, but the front flange sits at a nice angle to allow the lie to fly off when casting. I guess I can cast a fairly heavy sinker maybe 20 yards straight off the reel without too much trouble. Of course when fishing from a kayak there is very little need to cast. It may take a bit of practice to get the knack of casting...you have to hold the spool with the tapered edge pointing in the direction that you are throwing the line. You hold it in one hand and fling the line with the other.

Gotta be careful when casting any handline that you dont hook yourself. The hook and sinker arrangement shown on the handcaster above is the safest rig I know of for casting (or any sort of fishing really). The sinker has a hole through it and can slide on the line. So when you cast it sits right down on the hook. When it goes into the water it can separate itself from the hook as fish, the current, and gravity act on it. The hook is what I'd call a square set line (longline) hook. It has a turned-in point which makes it less likely to snag on clothing or flesh. I've used these hooks a lot on set lines and hand lines and I really like them. If your hook and sinker are fixed to the line at any distance apart, they can swing a bit like a bola and the hook is much more likely to get you.

Furthermore...with the simple, safe rig shown above...there is only one knot to tie. Knots are the weak point in a fishing line, so just having one is a good thing.

On the right is a simple bit of wood with a 'U' cut in each end. Tons of fish have been caught using simple handline holders like these. They have to be unwound by hand which makes them a bit slower and less convenient to use than a handcaster, but they are simple and cheap and they will definitely catch fish.

In case you are wondering, that is a Marbles Trout and Bird knife...five and a half inches long overall. I would not recommend it as the best all round bait and filleting knife because it is too small, but it is nice to carry nevertheless.

I recommend that you wind up your handline every time you bring it into the kayak. When fishing from a bigger boat it is common to just haul the line in and drop it on the deck. But there is limited space and unlimited opportunity for tangles on a kayak. Gotta keep a sharp knife handy in case a tangle threatens your safety.

I'll be interested to read how you get on with your fishing. Best wishes... Coote.
 
Got to http://www.kayakfishingstuff.com
Click on "Enter Our Message Boards" and register there.

The site has a lot of good subforums, including a Do It Yourself forum with tons of ideas on rigging.
If there's not a past post about your rigging question, someone there can answer it.

There are lots of other kayak fishing sites and message boards. I frequent the one above and http://www.atlantakayakfishing.com
Texas Slim has probably been seen over at http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/portal.php

Have a look at some of these kayak fishing records: http://www.kayakfishing.com/records.html

And here's a F&S article on kayak fishing: http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/fishing/article/0,13199,230658,00.html (Part 2) http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/fishing/saltwater/article/0,13199,238729,00.html

Here's my rigged yak, an Ocean Kayak Prowler 13 Angler Edition...

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Homemade Kayak Cart...

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Anchor Trolley rigging...

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Fish Finder power pack construction and rigging...

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