Kershaw threadlock drowning strikes again

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Yes, I know that you should heat a threadlocked pivot to remove the screw, but this is still ridiculous.


Yes, my screw snapped off after getting it (very slowly) halfway out. Kershaw, get your crap together, drowning screws in threadlock is STUPID. A small dab is all you need.

Why has Kershaw suddenly started using threadlock like it is going out of style? Do they have to use up surplus before the second quarter of this year? There is no rhyme of reason to using this bloody much.
 
Looks more like a badly heat treated screw to me.

I'm not sure that thread locker itself could be so strong that it would cause a screw to snap.
 
I almost rubbed my palm raw from friction trying to muscle the screw out.
 
That bolt shouldn't have snapped like that. Did you use anything for leverage?
 
I agree, I had to soak my cryo 2 in almost boiling water before mine would even begin to budge. My threads were completely covered in the stuff.
 
scary blade :D

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Yes, I know that you should heat a threadlocked pivot to remove the screw, but this is still ridiculous.


Yes, my screw snapped off after getting it (very slowly) halfway out. Kershaw, get your crap together, drowning screws in threadlock is STUPID. A small dab is all you need.

Why has Kershaw suddenly started using threadlock like it is going out of style? Do they have to use up surplus before the second quarter of this year? There is no rhyme of reason to using this bloody much.

On an unrelated note, I am normally not a fan of tanto blades. However, that is a sweet looking knife. Now I want one.
 
On an unrelated note, do you also know you should vacuum your carpet once in a while?? lol

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I called Kershaw today and while the guy was staggeringly apathetic, he did get me in the system for a new pivot bolt. If my Kershaws that I sent in a few weeks ago don't come in perfect, I am definitely speaking to a manager. I love Kershaw, but if they keep screwing around like this, they may be losing a customer.
 
I almost rubbed my palm raw from friction trying to muscle the screw out.
If you experience that much difficulty just trying to remove a screw, you should stop and consider the possibility that you are doing something wrong, and then consider a different course of action.

Did you use heat? If you didn't use heat, but instead tried to muscle the screw out, then used even more muscle when you encountered resistance, I don't really see how it's Kershaws fault that the screw broke.

Just my opinion.
 
If you experience that much difficulty just trying to remove a screw, you should stop and consider the possibility that you are doing something wrong, and then consider a different course of action.

Did you use heat? If you didn't use heat, but instead tried to muscle the screw out, then used even more muscle when you encountered resistance, I don't really see how it's Kershaws fault that the screw broke.

Just my opinion.

My guess is that nowhere in the little book that Kershaw includes with their knives does it say to heat up your pivot screw before trying to disassemble the knife. The point is that he shouldn't have had to go to any special/great lengths to clean his knife. He was probably planning on carrying it today or soon and what was supposed to be a fun or relaxing time turned into crap and disappointment. It sucks that it happened and QC at Kershaw shouldn't involve jamming a screw hole full of lock tite. With all of that said I still want one for some reason. The CQC7k, not a screw hole jammed full of lock tite.
 
My guess is that nowhere in the little book that Kershaw includes with their knives does it say to heat up your pivot screw before trying to disassemble the knife. The point is that he shouldn't have had to go to any special/great lengths to clean his knife. He was probably planning on carrying it today or soon and what was supposed to be a fun or relaxing time turned into crap and disappointment. It sucks that it happened and QC at Kershaw shouldn't involve jamming a screw hole full of lock tite. With all of that said I still want one for some reason. The CQC7k, not a screw hole jammed full of lock tite.
I don't have to guess what Kershaws "little book" says, because I have one.

And nowhere in that little book does Kershaw advise people to disassemble their Kershaw folders, or to remove the pivot screw, or to use a lot of force to remove the pivot screw.

The book does provide instructions and advice on cleaning and oiling Kershaw folders, but again, it says nothing about disassembling, or removing/forcing the pivot screw out. So there was no need for the OP to go to any "special/great lengths to clean his knife". If he had followed Kershaws cleaning instructions, he never would have broken his pivot screw.

And clearly the OP knows that applying heat is the proper way to loosen Loctite, because he mentioned it in his first post.

You can say "the guy shouldn't have had to do this" and "Kershaw shouldn't have done that", but Kershaw is free to make their knives any way they want, and they are free to use as much Loctite as they want. And if people don't like how Kershaw makes their knives they are free to not buy them.

If Kershaw advocated disassembling their folders, or the removal of their pivot screws, then I think they would be obligated to make it easy to perform such tasks, or at least provide detailed instructions on the proper way to do it. But since Kershaw DOESN'T advocate disassembling their folders, or removing their pivot screws, I don't think they should be criticized when removing their pivot screws proves difficult.

Consider the possibility that Kershaw uses a generous amount of Loctite on their pivots specifically because they DON'T want people to remove the pivot screws. Many knife companies don't like it when people disassemble (or try to disassemble) their knives.
 
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The CS rep told me that it is normal that the Chinese Kershaws are drowned in threadlock. Just noting it.

If the knives were not supposed to be disassembled, they would be pinned. They are screwed, so the knife was, in fact, designed to be taken apart and adjusted.

I definitely should have stopped and heated it, but I have muscled through even red threadlocked screws before with no damage to the screw of the driver. If there was a normal amount on the screw, there would be no issues. The screw broke because they turned the threadlock application up to 11. Heating it up would have let me get the screw out, but it would have been nearly impossible to get back in and adjust once it was back in. I have neither the chemicals or tools to remove threadlock out of threads, especially when the threads are in an enclosed bolt.
 
If the knives were not supposed to be disassembled, they would be pinned. They are screwed, so the knife was, in fact, designed to be taken apart and adjusted.
Adjusted is one thing, but taking them apart is something else.

Just because a knife is assembled with screws doesn't mean the maker intends for the owner to take it apart. Instead, the maker might use screws because it makes it easier for their workers to assemble the knives, and because it makes it easier for the maker to service the knives.

I don't know the policy of every knife maker, but I know that several Buck knives are held together with screws, and Buck's warranty specifically states that disassembling their knives will void their warranty.

Several Spyderco knives are also assembled with screws. And reading their warranty it certainly appears that they frown on people taking their knives apart. Their warranty specifically says that any repairs performed by people other than Spyderco will void their warranty, and that any damage that results from disassembling will void their warranty.

It doesn't appear that Kershaw has a stated policy on disassembling. They neither expressly forbid it, nor do they advocate it. What is clear is that they make no mention of taking a knife apart in their maintenance instructions.

In any event, I hope it all works out for you.
 
Kershaw does not explicitly tell y9u to take the knife apart, but I have spoken with multiple people at Kershaw, and they actually in favor of it, if y9u know what you are doing. They also generally don't mind modifying, and there are multiple cases of them taking warranty of modified knives (one thing nobody I have ever heard of doing). Obviously the warranty for mods is very much a case by case basis, but the fact that they are at least somewhat open to it puts them pretty heavily ahead of most other companies.

I hate to sound like an entitled princess, but if I get screwed over again Kershaw really will have to wow me to keep me loyal. Note that I have owned far more Kershaws than anything else, and most all have been fine or the issues were nitpicky, but Kershaw has also had some serious blunders.
 
Adjusted is one thing, but taking them apart is something else.

Just because a knife is assembled with screws doesn't mean the maker intends for the owner to take it apart. Instead, the maker might use screws because it makes it easier for their workers to assemble the knives, and because it makes it easier for the maker to service the knives.

So, everytime your knives need cleaning or lubrication you send them back to the factory to have it done? No you don't because that is unreasonable. That would be a huge waste of time and money. The average joe who carries a knife may not care to do such things but, manufacturers know their knives will be disassembled by knife people. It probably wasn't the case this time but what if Derrik needed to "adjust" the pivot more than one turn? It sounds like that would have been impossible and according to your definition of manufacturers intent he should have been able to "adjust" it. I don't disagree he should have stopped when it didn't feel right, I'm just saying things should have gone differently at the factory. To Kershaw one knife owner out of a million having a problem is likely and that is why they offer the CS they do, not unlike other manufacturers. This time though a culmination of Kershaw related problems have come to a head. I hope they make it right for you dkb45, I'm sure they will.
 
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So, everytime your knives need cleaning or lubrication you send them back to the factory to have it done? No you don't because that is unreasonable. That would be a huge waste of time and money.
Nowhere did I say anything about sending knives back to their manufacturer for cleaning and lubricating. Quite the contrary. In post #14, which was a direct response to you, I clearly stated that Kershaw provides it's customers with instructions on how to clean and lubricate their folders.

Perhaps you are under the misconception that folders need to be disassembled in order to be cleaned and lubricated? People have been cleaning and lubricating folders for centuries without taking them apart, and they continue to do so now, and I'm sure they will continue to do so well into the future.

Several modern knife manufacturers, including Kershaw, Spyderco, Buck, Swiss Army Knives, etc, produce knives that are pinned together and cannot be taken apart by their owners. And yet, despite being unable to take them apart, people still buy them, use them for all manner of dirty tasks, clean and lube them, and then continue to use them without difficulty throughout their lives.

I have a Buck 110 that I've owned, and have been using, for over thirty years. It's had all manner of crud in it, including animal blood. I've never had any difficulty cleaning and lubricating it, and it still functions perfectly.

manufacturers know their knives will be disassembled by knife people.
That doesn't mean that they intend for customers to disassemble them, or that they advocate it, or that it won't violate their warranty. Some knife makers (like Chris Reeve) do advocate disassembling their knives, and even supply the necessary tools. But some knife makers (like Buck Knives) feel strongly that people shouldn't take their knives apart.

Manufacturers do know that people will take their knives apart. Which is probably the reason that many manufacturers include statements in their posted policies that disassembling their knives might void the warranty.

It probably wasn't the case this time but what if Derrik needed to "adjust" the pivot more than one turn? It sounds like that would have been impossible and according to your definition of manufacturers intent he should have been able to "adjust" it.
I guess people have different definitions of "adjust". If I buy a knife and the pivot is too tight, I loosen it a little. This doesn't require removal. In fact it requires less than half a turn of the screw.

And if the pivot loosens over time and use, I tighten it. But again, that requires less than half a turn, because I don't wait until my pivots become sloppy-loose.

And for the sake of full-disclosure, I occasionally disassemble my screwed folders (and modify them). But I do it carefully to avoid any damage. And I do it knowing that it might void the warranty. I consider those to be important factors whenever a person tinkers with a knife.
 
Just an update, my replacement 1k came in, and one of the clip screws has to be cut off. Stripped out instantly, and I can't even grab it and twist it out with pliers. Kershaw is getting a very irate call tomorrow.
 
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