Khukri vs SOG

I have had the honor of sharing samosas with hungry beggar children on the streets of Kathmandu. They had no jobs. After that I don't see the question of child labor in undeveloped countries as a simple one.

We can be noble and boycott all products made with child labor. Then what will the children eat?

Let them eat cake.

In many cases, no one is going to take care of them but themselves.
 
Howard has an excellent point. I have to wonder if the altruistic narrow minded do-gooders fully comprehend what their actions will do before implimented. And simple solutions are not the answer.

Harry
 
I started work in 1939 at age six and have never quit so I do know about child labor from a personal viewpoint. This first job was door to door sales and I did okay. On a good day I could make 25 or 30 cents. My Dad was making $30 per month working on the WPA. Rent was $3 per month for a small house with no running water. So, my two bits was pretty good wages for a 6 year old.

Child labor is always a touchy subject. Right or wrong, good or evil, we will not use kids at BirGorkha. That's the rule and I happen to agree with it. We don't like to see completely inexperienced kids many of them with little or no common sense playing with power tools and razor sharp katanas. Scares us. There are better things for them to do in hotels and restaurants in Kathmandu if they must work.

I took in an orphan as our "house boy" when I lived in Nepal and felt like I was doing more good than harm for this 12 year old boy. But I would not have wanted to see him working in an arun.

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ

[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 06-22-2000).]
 
If a kid is going to learn to pound nails and run a power tool; he may as well be paid for it. The US is ruined now, but we all did it.
Maybe we shouldn`t teach gun ops either.

Wouldn`t that be great.We`d raise a generation of Klintons.
 
I wonder what the outcome would have been if the test had been the other way around ie if the SOG had been used to chop the khukuri. My guess is that the SOG would have chipped badly.

Hardness and high Rc values aren't desirable per se; you've got to strike a balance between hardness and toughness to suit the intended purpose of the blade. Otherwise, why bother to draw a temper at all?

Heavy chopping blades have always tended to carry a softer edge than small slicing blades. They sacrifice a little hardness and edge-holding capacity in return for flexibility and toughness.

When I buy or make a new heavy-duty cutting tool, one of the tests I always apply is cutting 18 or 16 guage steel sheet. I clamp the sheet in a bench vise and take a diagonal cut (ie impact at 45 degrees rather than 90) Basically, if the blade chips,it gets retired to the cupboard under the stairs to gather dust, or it gets reprofiled and rehardened/tempered; flying steel chips are an unacceptable hazard, and a chipped edge hinders the cut. If the edge both cuts cleanly and comes through undamaged or with damage that can be fixed without further material loss or heat treatment, the tool is passed fit for active service.

None of my HI khuks have failed this test; they've all cut the sheet without suffering permanent damage. (By the same token, only one of my Kris Cutlery blades has failed; the infamous PoS wakizashi. As a result of these tests, I stopped drawing my own blades to straw/purple and went to purple/blue; since then, I haven't had a failure)

The cutting angle is, BTW, an important factor. A 90 degree contact will do far more damage than an angled one.

For the record; the notion that Japanese nihonto blades have superior metal-cutting qualities that allow them to cut such items as helmets and gun barrels with impunity is, in my experience, a myth. Learned *that* one the hard way...

 
Very logical Tom.

There are not too many things that you would chop with an Rc over 50. Cold roll 1040 is around Rc 20 only, it is a commonly comes as a sheet metal.

Will
 
That`s interesting Bill, I too did door to door sales at age six. Selling cards from an American Flyer wagon. My motive was $16.50 for a Winchester Mod. 67. I did pretty well too. Of course, then I needed ammo money. It never quits.
 
It never does, Ghost.
I find that my taste in tools (toys?) rises incrementally with my pay scale. Where before I looked longingly at a 30/30 and a KBar I now find myself lusting after Barrett 50BMGs and Bura Kothimodas. Go figure.
I agree with your stance on child labor. I took my first job when I was about 12 (not counting chores). Ok, I was spoiled! Our country's meddling has rarely brought on anything but increased misery. Look at what the introduction of agriculture by Christian missionaries has done to the nomadic tribes of Africa.
Slavery is wrong, but if a kid needs to work to eat then let him work! There are very few places in this world that resemble the soft, fluffy Barney world of the American soccer mom, including America. Unfortunately they seem to be setting the policy here.
As for the Rc scale and khukuris, all I know is that my khuks chop the stuffing out of anything I put them up against. None of them have seen any significant damage yet. (except for that BAS incident and Bill saw to it that that problem was corrected. I even think that the BAS was repaired and put back into service!)

[This message has been edited by Jaeger (edited 06-24-2000).]
 
So, we are agreed.The window of opportunity to raise up a child in the way he should go is between 4 and 9 years.Maybe 12.If you haven`t done it by then , he is a police problem now.Thank you very much.
 
We seem to be agreed.At age six you are pretty worthless.You can hand Dad tools.
Sales seems the best option.Plus you are cute at that age.

Later there is lawn mowing and other yardwork.Just hire out for chores.Paper boy;then construction work.There were no OSHA or liability issues then.School doesn`t take much time for the bright and the stupid are in shop and working anyway.

We are raising a nation of pussies.Just look at Klinton`s Army.

According to the pamphlet that Craig sent me; there is a commie org. dedicated to destroying Nepal society by subversive propaganda,not really even disguised as education.

They are up front about it.They want to teach that there is no right answer.2+2-4,or 3,or 5,who knows?

They are also proud of leaving anarchy in their wake for the Nepali teachers to deal with.

Isn`t this swell?

If you want to see Nepal; yesterday would not be too soon.
 
Because of the time I spent living there and because of family I tend to view things in Nepal thru the eyes of a Nepali and it is not good. It was better when Birendra was in charge.

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
The SOG could also have a higher Rc than expected as well.

There is actually file sets that can be bought for testing hardness. I thing Bill has it right by sticking with one file and working from samples.

Like Jaeger, I have the khukuri's hard enough for stuff I use them on.

Will

[This message has been edited by Will Kwan (edited 06-25-2000).]
 
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