Khuks and guns

Second Chance, a major vendor of police-grade ballistic vests once reported that their vests had saved more lives in motor vehicle crashes than in shootings. Most of those were motorcycle cop crashes; Massad Ayoob credits a vest with his survival of a car wreck. So Ghostsix's wearing one on a bike isn't a surprise. It's been my experience that knees and elbows take massive hits first, followed by the spine and only then is soft-tissue damage to guts or rib cage damage a factor. People tend to "curl up in a ball" and roll; it's only if you hit something solid does that change.

Trust me, I've pondered this. I haven't had the $500 loose to grab a vest yet, but it's just a matter of time. They offer 80% or so of the spine protection of my hard-impact spine armor but adds unparalleled rib and gut coverage.

Jim
 
One day, while I was driving to town with one of my friend - suddently he asked me to stop the car - then he asked me to remove a toy gun belong to my son from rear seat and to keep it in the bonnet of my car - at 1st I refused but he keep on insisting - he told me that my son's toy gun might cause both of us to go behind bar! Wow ...

I think British was the one introducing the strict ban of having gun without liscence in Malaysia! Our Malaysian judiciary system is based on British system.

How nice to have a gun! When I was in North Pakistan I was inform that most of the houses there at least have 1 gun. While most of the Malay house in Malaysia not even have a pix of a gun!

 
Steven, before I ask again the answer was given. It was about your and the general attitude for guns in US. Thank you.

BTW, in Japan no civilians (LEOs excluded) are supposed to own NO handguns, where a statistic shows there are estimated 380thousand handguns, all illegal.

Tough choice, illegal side or victim-to-be side. I'm still staying on legal side.

Is this the way US is heading?

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\(^o^)/ Mizutani Satoshi \(^o^)/
 
Wrongfreind, I assumed that a "general primer on the US gun law scene" would help answer your questions and that of others overseas.

The gun rights fight in the US is one of the most bitter political battles ever. Those of us in favor of the people's "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" (known as RKBA) are actually winning, overall.

The most important wins have been in the area of Concealed Carry Weapons permits. Those 31 states are excellent proof that people can be trusted. The state of Florida reformed their CCW system in 1986, allowing far greater numbers of people to obtain the permits. Last I heard there were about 300,000 permitholders in that state alone. The largest county (what Japan might call a "prefecture"?) is Dade county; they started tracking the crimes committed by permitholders.

The majority were inadvertant, such as accidently letting people see your gun (considered a minor crime but it can get your permit suspended there). In 1994 they added up the crime rate of the permitholders and found that it was only 1/4th of the crime rate of Washington DC -=POLICE=-! This was widely viewed as high comedy and caused the Dade County permitholder tracking system to be closed down as a waste of police resources.

We have therefore proven that people willing to go through a background check, fingerprinting and training are NOT the sort of people likely to abuse the power that comes with daily gun carry.

Wrongfriend, I used to be a student of a very traditional Japanese martial art, one that included sword training. One thing I found horrifying in studying Japanese sword history is that...hmmm, this is complicated. See, there's a special word for testing a sword by cutting rolled-up Tatami mats...if I remember right, this is called "Tamagiri"? Nothing wrong with that. There's another word for test-cutting against bamboo poles, again, this seems reasonable.

Horrifyingly, there was a special word for test-cutting your sword AGAINST THE FIRST PEASANT OR OTHER NON-BUSHIDO THAT HAPPENED TO WALK BY!

Right? I mean, in Japan for over 800 years, the armed class could kill anyone else, on a whim. And it was illegal for the unarmed classes to bear weapons, especially swords and later, guns.

Does anyone here think that this heavy "gun (and sword) control" was done for the *benefit* of the disarmed classes?

HELL no. It was done for the protection of the tyrranical armed aristocracy.

ALL GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE BASED ON THE SAME THINKING. The only difference is, it isn't as obvious as it was in Edo-period and prior Japan.

Jim
 
Jim, man fights to make right public, and also to make previlage private. It's true everywhere/when. Even US, that started from the quite opposite end but seems to follow the way all the other country has come along, I can't help myself becoming cynical to lose the only one exception - RKBA of US.

As for testcuts, it's called "tameshi-giri", meaning " test-cut". Rolled tatami matress is used bacause it gives the same resistance as human body against chopping. Bamboos are for testing the swordman's skill of speed/precision. Your katana must fly straight to cut a bamboo, in any posture as you are.

Well, there were such kind of test cutting as horrified you, but please don't think it was thought to be a right or common thing, like I don't think it was common in US to "shoot from the back" even though it was done by more than one person actually.
Japanese call them the same way as American. A bad guy.

I agree with you about permitholders. As an ordinary forumites I carry knives daily, and IMO the knife in my pocket makes me more humble, less aggressive person than without knives

ALL GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE BASED ON THE SAME THINKING. The only difference is, it isn't as obvious as it was in Edo-period and prior Japan.
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20 years before Edo-period. The shogun who was beaten by the founder shogun of Edo-government did taking up all the peasants' swords.


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\(^o^)/ Mizutani Satoshi \(^o^)/
 
The human test cutting was usually done on condemed men.The tang was so marked.Everyone has guns here.we have some mischife,but nothing like burgalry.
I quit correcting my spelling,by the way.
 
Satoshi, thank you for the correction on the mat-cutting term. I realize that *most* of the "human test cutting" was on criminals but my understanding was, not all of it. My information was that such "random attacks" were extremely rare but...just the fact that they had a special name for it was a bit of a shock.

And I am quite certain about the Bushido having the right to kill any non-Bushido on a whim, meaning "whenever they felt like it".

It was also my understanding that edicts preventing non-Bushido from owning full Katanas or other weapons of war such as Naginata and many forms of archery equipment predate the Edo period. LONG predate it. If that's incorrect I'd be interested in references otherwise.

In any case...RKBA in the US isn't in as poor a shape as the media might have you believe. Nowhere near. We've got a GREAT court case climbing it's way to the US Supreme Court, "US vs. Emerson" in which a Texas Federal Judge wrote a powerful opinion confirming that our 2nd Amendment was an individual right equal to the rights of free speech, freedom of religion and the rest. Remember those 31 pro-CCW states? Most of them converted in the last 15 years, one by court decree (Georgia) where they ruled that having individual officials (in their case, Judges) decide who gets to carry on an individual basis to be a recipe for racism, bias and corruption.

That's where California is now; here, Police Chiefs and Sheriffs have sole authority over who gets to pack, and they've been abusing it. Which is what my lawsuit is about; my Sheriff eliminated any possibility of obtaining the permits if you live in a lower income or mostly-black town, plus he accepted over $20,000 in campaign contributions from his small pool of permitholders. He used the permits as political favors to influence payoffs to his campaign.

I'm going to kick his butt in court so hard his kids will need pants with special padding in the rear ends.

Jim
 
Jim- Your description of CCW permits only handed out to cronies or contributors to the local sheriff's campaign fund sounds much like Santa Clara County. It's virtually impossible to get one here!
 
Talk to me offline about Santa Clara, especially if you're in the city of San Jose. I also know a guy in Palo Alto who seems to be starting a very determined fight...last I heard he was going to try and consult with local attorney Don Kilmer, the guy who shot down the Santa Clara County gun show ban. Kilmer is a young hungry honest "up and comer" in RKBA law and has had previous CCW run-ins with that new lady Sheriff. She's screwing up in a number of ways, including not issuing to residents of towns with their own PD Chiefs as a matter of policy. That's flat-out illegal, and I should be able to get a ruling to that effect at my trial on 12/20/99, so you'll want to monitor my progress. Updates will be posted to the politics forum here and on the CA-Firearms mailing list, followed by my website.

Jim
 
My dad lives in Goreville, Il. They have that same law (at least one firearm per household). Crime's pretty low there, too.

Bob
 
"An armed society is a polite society"

My mom told me that when I was a kid and I have believed it ever since. I will pass it on to my daughter when she is old enough to understand.
 
That is the way that it is in all discretionary issue states.The Sheriff`s use CCW`s as arrows in their quiver.
 
How about "if the scumbags are certain they're going to be greased regardless, they'll all fight like cornered wolverines on methamphetamines and police funerals will be even more common"?

Both Sun Tsu and Gengis Khan were quite specific on at least letting the enemy *think* there's a way out, to avoid this problem. The principle seems similar.

Jim
 
I read Sun Tsu,I do not want to leave a way out so that a court will not kill them.My community expects problem people to not ever bother them ever again.
 
I have to say those test cuts were done on criminals, but AFTER he/she died, as bodies were usually buried and physically of no use soon. First anatomy made in Japan was made in this way also. It was another kinda test cut, not for the blade but human body structure.
Jim, thanks for your information about current RKBA situation.
Although your understanding is almost right, I feel like supplement its background as far as I can. A Bushido guy may kill rather "whenever they felt right and prepared wht to pay for it" than "whenever they felt like it". Nothing special in their behavior than ours. For some people it was true, some others a mere excuse, as in any other societies. A hair difference, avenge for his lord was legal for samurai, but not for others... only that for parents were okay.

ghost, see the face who claims and you'll find the reason!

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\(^o^)/ Mizutani Satoshi \(^o^)/
 
Jim- I live in Campbell and we recently lost a respected and liked Police Chief because he didn't get along with the city manager. Did you say that you have a website up or will have one? If it's up what is it?
Thanks,
Sutcliffe
 
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