Khukuri vs Smatchet

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Hey, everyone. First time posting at BladeForums & wanted to ask a semi-hypothetical question: Which one would work better all-around? I have some thoughts & figure other people can add/argue/agree as they see things. I figure I'd do a pros & cons in two sections for each- combative & utility.

Khukuri (combative):

Pros are that it's intuitive (meaning that you can just swing it like an axe or a hammer, instead of having to run it along whatever you're cutting like a knife as you would with a sword or a long machete), that it's devastating with a big swing, that you can just propel it (whatever the word is for when you don't really need to get a lot of momentum behind it like you might with an axe or hammer), that it'll cut deeper than normal because of the shape (it'll intersect/collide with the cutting surface), that it's a stronger foward stab because of the shape (like a regular punch), that it can be used to hook & redirect things like gun barrels & other weapons, and that it'll do damage by hooking with it like a scythe (behind the knee, back of the ankle, anywhere on the arm or neck, right where the leg meets the hip, etc...).

Cons are that it's hard to do upward stabs (and downward ones, if the back isn't sharpened at the tip), it's hard to do loop-around stabs (kidney from in front, heart from the back, etc...), and it's hard to do a loop-around cut (like if you were wrestling with someone & you went all the way around the back of their neck to haul on the side of it with the back edge). Also that it's a bit end-heavy & harder to get out of the sheath- particularly if you have to do it "wrong" (like you potentially would in a dangerous/injured situation & at the very least would benefit from having the option of).

Khukuri (utility):

Pros are that it works well for pretty much anything you can use a large knife for, but it's a little bit better for using as a drawknife & possibly as a "rounder" (making things rounded with the curved part of the blade by running it side-to-side across what you're carving). Also seems to be pretty good for clearing brush & using as something of a small scythe (cutting vines, bundles of grass for mats, etc...).

Cons are that it's a bit harder to sharpen & you seem to have to get the knack of swinging it so you chop good. Harder to get in & out of the sheath. Sheath is harder to make, if it comes up.



Smatchet (combative):

Pros are that it's able to do pretty much everything a dagger can do (slash, stab, backcut- both blade-up & blade-down), makes a massive wound on the stab & can chop (different targets available & quicker incapacitation because it goes right through everything that makes the area work), gets out of the sheath like any other knife, and isn't a problem to do the things you have issue doing with a khukuri (upward stabs, loop-around stabs, and loop-around cuts), maybe a bit better balanced- and better for throwing so the point goes in.

Cons are that it can't HOOK. That ability to hook around things translates to some serious things (redirecting a rifle barrel at the last second, deflecting other weapons mid-swing, moving/injuring the limbs, catching the neck for shielding purposes, opening up an angle for another knife). Also, that it might not be as intimidating- as the khukuri has a reputation & something of an exoticness that draws attention to the weapon & what it can probably do. Plus, while it seems like it would damage an area to the level that it would be functionally prettty close to severing whatever it is- it's not QUITE severing it & see whatever it is being taken OFF in a fight is probably a very shocking & very menacing thing.

Smatchet (utility):

Pros are that it's able to do everything a large knife can do, because that's what it is. If it has an unsharpened area on the back that's long enough to put your thumb on & baton against, you've pretty much got everything a short machete will do. If there's a sharpened area on the back, it would make cutting rope or vines easier because you don't have to spin the blade to cut upward with it. The hole on the side of the blade that isn't totally sharpened (so you know which way the blade is turned in the dark) can be a bolt-wrench. Can be something of a makeshift trowel because of how broad it is.

Cons are that it doesn't have that scything ability & it doesn't work as well as a drawknife by itself (you'd need to stab the point in a piece of wood in order to use that for a handle). Can't round things out as well as the khukuri seems like it would. For clearing brush, using as a sickle, and using it as a drawknife or a rounder are all things the khukuri has better potential for.

This is probably pretty long, so I'll wrap it up by asking: "Which would you guys go with?" As much as I like the smatchet (particularly the ability to get it out of the sheath any which way & being able to move the blade in more ways), I think I'd go with the khukuri (because of the hooking/catching ability & the stronger stab- plus the sheath lets you carry a small knife & a sharpener, but I guess that's also possible with the smatchet).
 
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Might do that, thanks for reminding me. Actually, I still have my eye on $50 one from Gurkha Khukuri Knife Industry. The smatchet from them looks good, though.
 
Leftytwoguns: Why would it work for yard work, but not the other tasks?

On the combative note: I have to say, the smatchet seems to make things easy- kind of like a sawed-off shotgun. The thing is, I'd be REAL interested in having that hooking ability & that stronger stab. I just found out that that's what that ring on the handle is for- keeping your hand from sliding onto the blade. Would be good to have when your hands get sweaty from yard work, too- I'd imagine.
 
I have CS's Magnum Khukri.

I also have a Busse KZII Khukri, and a another forged khukri.



The answer to every single question on Blade Forums is always Smachet!



I think if you searched the term Smachet it would pop up millions of times!



That said, I don't own any smachets, only Khukris.


HI (Himalayan Imports) makes all sorts. Bit heavy thick choppers, Big and small, massive, and thin and lighter thinner fighters called Kobras. They make a double edge version, very pointy, with a sharpened long clip.


A proper khukri can stab, cut, slice, chop, do detail work. Cold Steel has videos showing their Khukri in action (stabbing, chopping, shearing off legs, ribs, heads, piercing through both sides of the pig). Pig's are the closest we can get to human analogue, and are much much more accurate than balistics gel which does not cut, stab, or pierce at all like flesh.

If you don't believe me on that, watch how many pigs a sword can cut through, or stab through, and then how little ballistics gel it can sever. They simply don't compare at all.

As some one who has butchered large animals with knives, up to and including cows, I can tell you that. Flesh offers very little resistance to either slashing or piercing.

Clothes, equipment (like spare mags, tactical vests with extras, bullet proof vests etc), and bones offer more resistance when added on top. But even a skinny stiletto knife will split rib bones and bury to the hilt on a stab.

I can tell you this is true on Pigs, and Deer, and even elk. Cows have much heavier rib bones, and other bones, but you can still chop through them with a heavier chopping focused implement. I have seen All of them decapitated in a single strike. Even water buffalo which are ceremonially killed with large khukris (though often two handed) come off with a single blow. They have to put a heavy block of wood underneath the water buffalo to stop the strike from hitting the paving stones.

Does this mean the Khukri is the superior fighting knife? I have no idea. I certainly would never want to find out against a Gurkha.

Neither would I want to find out about any trained in the Deadly Art of the Smachet.

Or against some one who seriously trained with a fighting bowie, or stiletto (basically enter sharp pointy, or bludgeon thing here).

I have used Khukri, Bowie, and axes (fighting style axes too) and tomahawks. I'm not trained to fight with any of them. But frankly, if I had more than one, I might pick my hawks (because I am a cheater, and am pretty good at throwing them, especially at distances in "fighting range". I can stick them out past 60 feet, but at that distance people can dodge.

Throwing them at short range, you get into the distances where a person would have a very hard time reacting and actually getting out of harms way. But I would only do it while closing and if I had another hawk in hand (and a long knife in the other, or another hawk). I have thrown hawks for more than 15 years, and knives much longer (27 years or so).

I have also seen demonstrations where two people trained in fencing (one was at the time using a hawk and long knife combo), the Hawk/long knife combo did very very well, and throws at that distance proved to be too fast for the guy with the saber to avoid strike after strike. It was followed up with fast and hard with the knife. Even when he knew it was coming, it still worked. The hawk (a dummy obviously, and not made of steel, or the guy with the sword, which was made of steel, would have had serious injury, including broken ribs even with the padding and the full face mask).

That said, and I realize it was off topic.

Skill is skill. People who used to kill each with real weapons have been doing so for thousands of years, and there was likely not a single perfect weapon.


There were more effective weapons for specific fighting styles, and to be used against different types of protective gear. People don't walk around in heavy plate armor, or mail, or boiled leather armor much any more.

But soldiers and even officers frequently wear bullet proof vests (which are not stab proof), and they have vests that are stab and cut rated.

Soldiers often have trauma plates front and back, and some times sides. You would have to either be lucky, or skilled to get a soldier in a killing area before he could shoot you or such. But it does (and has) happened.

There is a guy on here who is a soldier/counter drug guy who has posted pics of a Winkler hawk that went through a vest and injured the drug cartel guy in a fight (the story was that he was wrestling with a shotgun with another solder, and the hawk was aimed at his head, and he moved, but still took it in the shoulder). It ended the fight immediately.

What ever you pick, won't matter one lick if you are not trained to use it, and frankly, better than the guy who has the other knife/sword/smachet/axe/ etc etc.


I prefer a Khukri with a guard, but that may just be a mental thing (both the Busse, and the forged Khukri have them).

There are fighting systems for the Khukri (which I don't study, or know).

There are fighting styles/systems that are based on the Smachet (I am sure, because soldiers were trained, and I've seen manuals). I don't know them.


I'm not sure I would pick either if I was fighting blade against blade.

Without training, It would not be a long fight for me, I am sure.


I think there is a lot to be said for a long, sharp, fighting bowie with a long sharpened back clip, and curved guards and Spanish notch for trapping.

A light, quick hawk, and a fighting bowie would likely be my combo if I had to choose (in some post apocalyptic world where I might have to square off against a guy with a smachet or a Khukri).





Of course, the fighting khukri, and leaf shaped blades have been around for a long long time.

Historical versions of both (not necessarily exactly copies).

Khopis, leaf shaped short swords, etc, etc.



That said, My khukries have proven utilitarian. I would not want to get cut or stabbed with any of them. The Busse is great at stabbing, and chopping, but it is not a fighting knife. There is no distal taper, so it is not near as fast as it would be if it had such.

People who study and train with fighting knives have preferences. Ghurka's have shown their preference. (and past effectiveness in actual fighting and combat. Even some pretty mind blowing recent evidence.... A Ghurka held off a pack of 20? armed bandits on a train. Killing and maiming with his Khukri. I'm not sure I'd like anything less than a well trained, fast, scary little guy with a big smile and a big knife in close quarters). Ghurkas still have a true warrior mentality, and prove it again and again. In recent news even, with actual body counts.

I'm not sure I have seen any recent armies that issue the Smachet, or anything close to as large as the Khukri the Ghurkas carry.


Because Pics!








I don't have many pics of my traditional hawks, but do have some and videos of throwing. But I am lazy, and they are deep in a folder with thousands of pics, and no labeling, and it is late.
 
Leftytwogunz: Ah, I see. What about when bullets run out? That seems to be a frequent time where the khukuri comes into play. Also, when you might have to worry about shooting your own people (through-and-throughs, barrel deflection, etc...).

Bigfattyt: Yeah, I heard about that! He killed a bunch of them & injured some others because they were trying to rape some girl on the train. Said something to the effect of "Killing was my duty as a soldier, killing them was my duty as a human being." Very positive sentiment, although depressingly lacking in America- from what I can tell, anyway. Heard another one about a Gurkha holding off a bunch of talibans (at least a dozen). Odd thing about the story was that he didn't use the khukuri because he didn't have it at the time.
 
Welcome. What basis have you drawn all of your conclusions from? Some seem a bit over-thought. Have you used a kukhri or smatchet for anything (combat or yardwork?) Chopped some trees, used ones in your knife-based martial arts training?
 
popedandy: Yeah, that's an idea.

marcinek: I'm just trying to hit the details & explain the reasoning (I can be somewhat long-winded at times because of that, but then something take more words to say). My martial arts "training" is a bit informal. A lot of it amounts to knowledge & motor skills. I'm basing my conclusions on looking at the designs & seeing it used for different tasks. I have a Condor Hudson Bay that seems to be similar in size & weight to the smatchet, but it's probably a bit different (different balance & different handle). Used it a little bit & it seems fairly nimble for a large blade.

In truth, I get a regretably low amount of time in the woods (largely because I can't find "the woods"- it's like trying to go from A to C without B as a connector). Anybody with info on this, please don't hesitate to let me know about it.
 
So a "No" pretty much on the martial arts training and woods use. That's cool.

So I guess my question then is, are you looking for a critique of your conclusions; or are you looking for advice on whether to buy a khukri or a smatchet?

And if it the latter....what are you going to use it for?
 
So a "No" pretty much on the martial arts training and woods use. That's cool.

So I guess my question then is, are you looking for a critique of your conclusions; or are you looking for advice on whether to buy a khukri or a smatchet?

And if it the latter....what are you going to use it for?

Dammet! There you go being logical again Marc. :D
 
I'm an Eagle Scout, and just finished a 10 year stint as a Scout Master.

Now that my kids are getting old enough, one is in Scouts, and the other is old enough to go camping with us.

Sounds like you might be more in line with an out door useful knife. I would go with the Khukri (or a bowie style), rather than the smachet.

I have the Hudson Bay from Condor, and my version was the original coated one. I stripped it, and thinned behind the edge.

It needs more thinning, but does decent with chopping. The handle is a bit small for my hand.



There are a few cost effective options out there.

Kershaw has an effective chopper, for a pretty decent price. Thin enough behind the edge to bite deep. Double guard, that would be very easy to modify to a single guard if that was what you wanted.









Its on the left here for a spine shot.


This is the CS magnum Khukri. It is thin at the spine, but a bit thick at the edge.

I've convexed the edge on mine. This photo was when it was new.

 
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