Kina-mutai.

jrf, you may want to run a search through past threads. I seem to remember one not too long ago. A number of people argued that it wasn't real, but if I remember correctly, they seemed to be mistaking it for a marital art in itself rather than a subset of tactics (like chin na). Most of Vunak's knowledge of FMA is derived from Dan Inosanto, so it is probably valid.

Its one of those things that makes me wonder what they could have to say about it that is not immediatley obvious to common sense. I'm also curious to find out. I like anything that smacks of "fighting dirty."
 
If all you have available as an immediate expedient is your choppers, by all means, bite the bastard. Stick a digit in his peepers...but systematically list jaw positions or something? I mean, biting and gouging as a tactic is very sound and effective. I think it is pretty safe to say that if you are pinned to the wall by a knife wielder and he is trying to shove a hunk of steel through your chest and you bite his nose off his face and spit it in the wound you leave, you will have his undivided attention.

But I think if we have to be taught how to bite, rip, tear and gouge in an "Oh Sh*t!!!" situation...we have too much time on our hands, maybe better spent learning more about blades, sticks, flexibles, firearms and empty hands???

I mean, I am not trying to piss anyone off, it just seems ludicrous to put out a tape or something about how to "Doberman" someone.

I would rather see something really rare in the FMA's, a series on the use of Flexible Weapons, whips, rosaries, etc...

Wasn't it Bruce Lee that once said that biting was a very effective way to fight, but to be known as a biter would be a good way to get one's teeth knocked out?
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Don~Tongue planted firmly in cheek.

...don't bite me, you will have to go get "Don Shots" then...
 
J,

You know something Dude? I am completely baffled as to Vunak at the moment, I agree with your opinion of him. I am left in the dark as to his methodology at this point though.

In the Knife vid we discussed, he says forget about the "disarming knives out of midair and all that crap." Then he writes an article about double leg takedowns during knifings?

Damned if I know. I guess I have to go buy Black Belt Magazine, and I detest doing that.

Biting? I don't know if he teaches jaw positions or what J, but I mean, if you are going to systematically present it as a "system" or anything like that, what else is there?
 
Hello,

I read in another forum that Voo teaches Kina Mutai as positions where biting/pinching can occur/flow. There were about 144 of them. Positions are as follows: mount, cross-body, etc.

HTH.

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"...grappling happens. It just does." - Top Dog
 
Don:

Hold on to your money. I'll post the actual quotation from Vunak on the other, more appropriate thread. I don't think you'll disagree with it too much.

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i once posted something worded a little stronger before about "kinamutai" but i will tone it down so i dont offend anyone:

"In my 20 years studying the philippine fighting arts i have never seen or heard of an 'art' with this name or strategy. Yet the idea of 'softening' you opponent with a bite, scratch, head butting, or foot stomp (or some other distraction) is present in almost every fighting style i have seen that deals with the street fight."

does anyone still living in the p.i. know of this style?

i am not saying it doesnt exist, but i read once that it is one the philippines most feared fighting arts. i believe vunak wrote it. this part i know it is not true. i think the most feared fighting style in the philippines belong to the guerillas with the machine guns.
 
From what I have read and Vunak has told me he uses Kina-mutai as an equalizer when fighting on the ground against a better ground fighter. I really do not know the technical aspects of it. I guess I am going to have to get those summit tapes. I need them to round out my collection of Vunak tapes anyway.
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If you call PFS Video they often have deals on taps that arean't listed in the advertisements.

[This message has been edited by Decado (edited 31 December 1999).]
 
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