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Originally posted by MyNamesUsed
Evolution
Don't be that way...
Evolution is just as valid a religion as Taoism or Scientology.
And when you're talking venomous snakes, don't forget one of my personal favorites: the Fer de Lance.
Evolution is not a religion as it does not require "faith". Evolution is a theory that people are attempting to validate via scientific method. I agree that people often have a religious like faith in evolution, but that is just another case of people not thinking critically for themselves.
-- Dizos
-- Dizos
It takes a lot of faith to believe that a piece of matter that existed forever exploded with an extremely high level of energy that existed forever and everything eventually all fell perfectly in place to support life on earth,then a single cell of life just happens and then it just happens to feel the need or desire to reproduce itself and then it just happens to recognise a need to be more developed and just happens to have the ability to try to change to meet that need and on and on and on till you just happen to get a human.If you take a truly scientific look at things you cannot escape the conclusion that this world was created by an intelligent,loving God.
At it's core, evolution requires faith. For instance, everything we know about astro science and life sciences tells us that the earth should be as desolate as the moon.
The scientific method is successful at tracking genes and gives us evidence for evolution. It's that "first" live cell on earth that lacks a good scientific explanation.
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Suffice it to say that I'm a Christian. All my experince with science, biology and human physiology (BS, MS) have only allowed me to strengthen my views on my faith. When you truly see how complex and marvelous the human body and life iteself is, it is hard to swallow that it all happened by chance. Life itself is a miracle. The state of equilibrium for life is death. All things move towards a state of entropy; chaos. But life defies this. However, that's another topic.
As far as snakes feeling anger...interesting question. Much of the emotional characteristics we have derive largely from the limbic areas including the hypothalaums, cingulate gyrus, hippocampus, and parahippocampal gyrus. These tend to be deeper structures within the human brain, and thus tend to be of earlier development. The major thing that seperates us from most other animals is the amount of cortex we have. This extra "blob" of gray matter gives us the ability to have higher thought processes. The problem with saying that this animal has these emotional aspects and that this animal has these emotional aspects is that there is no way to know. We know we experience anger, but how do we know if a dog, snake, or rat does? Emotion, cognition, and conciousness are emergent properties of the entire neural network in our central nervous system. It is beyond the comprehension of science at this point, and it arises from complex combinations of infinite neural interactions throughout the brain, brain stem, cerebellum, and spinal cord.
Most likely, snakes do not feel "anger" per say, but rather are influenced and guided by a set of instincts which signal, through neural and chemical interaction, when to attack and when to back off. If, for some reason, the instinct is triggered, bam! I believe anger, in the context of emotion, invovles more cognitive and higher level function to be termed an emotion. Snake rage is more of an instinct than emotion. Some animals have stronger instincts in this area than others, thus some tend to be more agressive.
Anyway, all that to say this: it's all semantics.
--nathan
As far as snakes feeling anger...interesting question. Much of the emotional characteristics we have derive largely from the limbic areas including the hypothalaums, cingulate gyrus, hippocampus, and parahippocampal gyrus. These tend to be deeper structures within the human brain, and thus tend to be of earlier development. The major thing that seperates us from most other animals is the amount of cortex we have. This extra "blob" of gray matter gives us the ability to have higher thought processes. The problem with saying that this animal has these emotional aspects and that this animal has these emotional aspects is that there is no way to know. We know we experience anger, but how do we know if a dog, snake, or rat does? Emotion, cognition, and conciousness are emergent properties of the entire neural network in our central nervous system. It is beyond the comprehension of science at this point, and it arises from complex combinations of infinite neural interactions throughout the brain, brain stem, cerebellum, and spinal cord.
Most likely, snakes do not feel "anger" per say, but rather are influenced and guided by a set of instincts which signal, through neural and chemical interaction, when to attack and when to back off. If, for some reason, the instinct is triggered, bam! I believe anger, in the context of emotion, invovles more cognitive and higher level function to be termed an emotion. Snake rage is more of an instinct than emotion. Some animals have stronger instincts in this area than others, thus some tend to be more agressive.
Anyway, all that to say this: it's all semantics.
--nathan
While my original posting regarding snakes and anger was largely facetious, I would opine that emotions are a function of the lower brain whereas cognition is indeed a cerebral function.
Any dog owner will swear that a canine can feel joy, anger, boredom and fear. Whether a snake however, being somewhat further down the food chain - all being equal, feels emotion or just a "hard wired" reaction to a certain set of stimuli, the end result is the same: If a bushmaster bites yer @zz at the wrong end of a three day walk, you be dead, mon.
So I for one will continue to show them proper respect (fear
) whether their brains are developed enough to deserve it or not.
Unless it's time for lunch.
pil sung - 'Crow
Any dog owner will swear that a canine can feel joy, anger, boredom and fear. Whether a snake however, being somewhat further down the food chain - all being equal, feels emotion or just a "hard wired" reaction to a certain set of stimuli, the end result is the same: If a bushmaster bites yer @zz at the wrong end of a three day walk, you be dead, mon.
So I for one will continue to show them proper respect (fear
Unless it's time for lunch.
Here in Okinawa we have the Habu which can strike in any direction as opposed to the cobra which only has about a 45 degree angle it can strike from. Either one is not a snake I want to deal with.
One of the marines here claims he has seen a King Cobra nearly 20 ft long. Do they get that big?
One of the marines here claims he has seen a King Cobra nearly 20 ft long. Do they get that big?
An intersting point on evolution. Darwin, in the Origins of the Species, wrote that if an organism was discovered and shown to not have possibly arisen by the multiple steps of natural selecton, then his whole theory would fall apart. In other words: all Darwin himself needed was one single organism that defied his theory, and that would be enough to blow the whole thing to shmithereens.
We are discovering those organisms today. For example, the motor system of the bacterial flagellum in certain types of cells. If you took one single part out of this highly complex arrangment, the whole thing falls apart. Therefore, it counld't have arisen in a bunch of steps. This is termed irriduceable complexity. Bye, bye, Darwin.
Some have argued that all the different parts each served their own purpose elsewhere, and just chanced to come together in that arrangement. This sidesteps the issue of the information coded in the cell that tells it to stay there and operate in that specific way.
This is just one of the numerous blows being uncovered against evolution every day. More and more people are seeing the lunacy in the evoltionary rhetoric, such as Richard Dawkin's statement, "biology is the study of things which appear to be designed."
Evolutions days are numbered. And that's a good thing.
We are discovering those organisms today. For example, the motor system of the bacterial flagellum in certain types of cells. If you took one single part out of this highly complex arrangment, the whole thing falls apart. Therefore, it counld't have arisen in a bunch of steps. This is termed irriduceable complexity. Bye, bye, Darwin.
Some have argued that all the different parts each served their own purpose elsewhere, and just chanced to come together in that arrangement. This sidesteps the issue of the information coded in the cell that tells it to stay there and operate in that specific way.
This is just one of the numerous blows being uncovered against evolution every day. More and more people are seeing the lunacy in the evoltionary rhetoric, such as Richard Dawkin's statement, "biology is the study of things which appear to be designed."
Evolutions days are numbered. And that's a good thing.