Kitchen Knife Question.

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Well, its anniversary time and my GF said to pick a kitchen knife. I have a couple that I use now, one is a Henckels Zeilling Santoku and I like the shape (you can use the tip to dig in jars of something like mayo and use the tip to spread if you’re in a hurry) I’ve had this knife for about 12 years now and I’ve used it at a couple of kitchens, the things I don’t like about it are that it’s hard to sharpen and I’ve never been able to get it to slice very thin. The other kitchen knife I have is a Shun Classic 3.5in” Paring knife, I like this knife and it will cut as thin as I want, the thing about these knives that they aren’t real Damascus, but they are dishwasher safe (rustless).
I have 4 knives in mind and I was hoping for your help in choosing the right one. I’ll post the pic, their spiel and the cost. Thanks guys, your saving me hundreds of $$$
First the Shun Classic Chef’s Knife 8in” $140.00
ShunClassic8in.jpg

(Taken from Knife Works)
This stunningly beautiful line of classic cutlery features the look and benefits of Damascus steel, yet without its rusting problems. The Damascus look blade profile reduces sticking and results in less damage to the food being cut and faster prep times.

- VG-10 stainless steel is clad with 16 layers of SUS410 high-carbon steel on each side, producing a 33 layer rust free Damascus look
- VG-10 "super steel" is composed of Carbon, Chromium, Cobalt, Manganese, Molybdenum, Silicon, and Vanadium
- Shun Classics feature Ebony-black PakkaWood handles specifically designed for premium applications
- Stainless-steel bolsters and end caps
- Dishwasher safe
- NSF approved

In addition to their clad VG-10 blades, The Shun Classics also feature's uniquely stable "D" shape handle design.

The "D" shape rests precisely in the curve of the fingers as they curl around the handle. The asymmetrical bolster is ground out more on the right side to provide proper finger placement and an easy, secure grip. The knives balance perfectly, with the pivot point just ahead of where the handle sweeps out of the blade. Shun Classics may be special ordered for left-handed users with the asymmetrical bolster ground out on the left side for ideal finger placement.

The black PakkaWood handles provide the beauty of genuine wood, but since the wood is impregnated with a waterproof resin the handles are as durable as plastic and dishwasher safe, too.
Steel: VG-10 cutting core clad with 32 layers of SUS410 stainless
Handle: "D" shaped Ebony-black PakkaWood
Blade Length: 8 in. (20.3 cm)
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The second is a Shun as well, but it has real Damascus (I think) it’s the Shun Premier 8" Chef's Knife $150
ShunPremier8in.jpg

(Taken from Knife Center)
Calling to mind the handcrafting techniques of ancient Japan, Shun Premier possesses the grace and beauty of hand-forged knives of old. Every blade is made of VG10 steel, clad with 16 layers on either side of stainless Damascus, then beveled for lateral stability and incredible precision. Where the steels meet, a wavy line called a hamon is formed -- similar to the line formed when samurai swords are tempered using a clay-baking technique. The striking hammered finish ("Tsuchime" in Japanese) acts as a series of hollow-ground cavities, reducing drag and quickly releasing food from the blade. The walnut PakkaWood handles nestle comfortably in the hand, and the Shun logo embossed on the bottom adds balance and beauty to the knife, whether in the hand or at rest in the block.


Features
VG10 cutting core
Pattern Damascus clad with 16 layers of SUS410/SUS431 stainless
16-degree convex ground blades
Oblong PakkaWood Handles
Hammered finish released food easily when cutting
Specifications
Chef's
TDM0706
8" Blade
Made in Japan
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This Knife is an Al Mar Ultra Chef 8in” $150
AlMarUltraChef8in.jpg

(Taken from Knife Center)
Ultra-Chef™ knife With 8" Blade
Ultra-Chef™ Knives
New for 2004 the “Ultra Chef” models - classic in design - state of the art in Performance. Each blade is 33 individual layers of stainless steel - 16 layers per side plus the center layer of VG-10 Cobalt stainless steel and hardened to a Rockwell of 60-62. These knives are incredibly strong, light in the hand, perfectly balanced and extremely sharp. We didn’t stop there - the handles are made from select Cocobolo, long considered one of the world’s most beautiful exotic hardwoods. The Ultra-Chef™ Line – arguably, the finest chef’s knives made today. Each knife is individually gift boxed.
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The last knife is a Fallkniven J2 White Whale $140
Fallknivedk2WhiteWhale.jpg


(Taken from Knife Center)
With this knife a new world standard is set. For the very first time an expensive high-end steel is used in serial production of advanced chefs knives. The benefit of using a special steel is that the blade can be made thinner, lighter and more rigid and this makes your kitchen work easier and more fun. The laminate VG10 special steel will make the edge last much longer and this is of course a particular advantage for professionals.

We have paid extra attention to the shape of the handle - the grip must fill the hand without being clumsy while offering a shape that you ensures a safety when working with the knife. We achieve this by making the handle of tacky Thermorun rubber - the better the grip is, the less fatiguing for your hands. On top of that, the handle is easy to keep clean as it has no grooves or dents. The hygienic aspect is an important detail for those who work with food in restaurants and eateries - not the least for their guests.

The tang runs through the handle at almost full width, which gives both stability and rigidity for the knife.

We regard the K2 knife as one of the most advanced chef´s knives in the world and we invite you to treat yourself to this everyday luxury. However, please note that none of these knives are adapted for cutting frozen food, nor chopping bones, this will inevitably result in a broken or bent edge. For such heavy tasks we advise you to use a saw or a cleaver. And finally, the best working base is a cutting board made of wood - they are also more hygienic than plastic.

The santoku designed K2 is one of the best knives for vegetables. Thin cut, fresh vegetables are wholesome, they look neat and taste terrific finely shredded. Only the perfectly designed Santoku will do that!


Specifications
Blade Length: 7" (175 mm)
Total Length: 12" (305 mm)
Blade Width: 1.85" (47 mm)
Blade Thickness: 0.1" (2.5 mm)
Steel: Laminate VG10
Hardness: 59 HRC
Handle: Black Thermorun
Made in Japan

Its soo hard to pick justone...
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Since all of the knives are made with VG-10, and should have a similar enough (though not exact) edge geometry, I'd say that you are going to have to look at HRC values to determine which knife works best.

I've found that Shun's VG-10, which is taken to 61 IIRC, holds an edge pretty well, but is prone to chipping if you do a lot of mincing (of the rocking motion kind). If I were to do it again, I might go for a knife with a slightly softer heat treat, so that the edge would be a little more forgiving.

Other than that, make sure it's something that your significant will like to use--aesthetically and ergonomically!
 
If you are set with western handles and Japanese style blades, Messermeister (santoku) is another good option. Perhaps a bit softer steel, but it sharpens up easily. If you want to go more of a Japanese style in general, japanese kitchen knives direct has a really nice selection. I've been pretty happy w/ globals, but given the hardness, there are some tiny edge chips due to

FWIW, consumer reports just did some ratings on the shuns, and while good, they did not score as high as other german made japanese styles. YMMV
 
Because you picked all VG-10 knives, and most of them are 60-61HRC speced, they will perform quite close, with the exception of the Fallkniven k2, which is a bit softer, 59HRC. Mainly differences will be due to blade geometry and thickness differences. Depending on the user's use pattern that might be a good or a bad thing. I don't think 61HRC is too high, but for the folks who are used to western cutlery with 54-56hrc typical range that is a big jump and more often the result is chipped edges and broken tips. So, for a novice, Fallkniven k2 might be a good transition knife.
I've had to repair enough Japanese knives to have that impression. Other than that, since the knife is for your GF, pick what she'd like and be most comfy with.
As for the damascus, all of them are warikomi awase clad with pattern damascus, not what you call "real".
P.S. Dunno what dealers say, but none of those knives will be really dishwasher safe. I got rust spots on much more stain resistant X50CrMoV15 steel with repeated dishwasher sessions(details - Stainless steel knives in a dishwasher), VG-10 is more susceptible to corrosion. And no wood will last long time in high temps with aggressive chemicals.
 
A truly interesting alternative is the German made Robert Herder K2, it is a compact santoku with a thin blade. They make them in stainless and in hard carbon steel (which needs more care, obviously).
 
There are a bunch of options, and the consumer reports are hard to find. I have a Santoku, but I think I may try an actual chefs knife this time. I'm not sure, but I am used to the Santoku
 
I've got a shun pro set and I haven't run into any real chipping issues but I always use a soft cutting board. I have a 6 and an 8 inch deba? Hardly ever use the big one... I vote shun
 
The Shuns you have pictured are all real damascus layered with a core. The Premier is worth the slightly higher cost. Another vote for Shun here.

Edit: nvm just saw that you already made your purchase.
 
I'm a serious cook. Shuns are just terrific. Can't go wrong.....no dishwasher please. That said, I need to buy a wedding present and I will likely buy some knives out of the line called Miyabi Kaizen at Sur Le Table; they are Japanese but the factory is owned by Henckels; look a lot like Shun; appear to be finished a little nicer than the Shun Classic.
 
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